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david1
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 11:40
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What If...<br><br>Otf was de-centralized, the chatroom ... guilds... enterttainment... engineering.... gaming... etc... where de-centralized, let to run on their own? they would have more power to do as they want, make more changes for the good, it would help benifit each department ... more control of the active people, and less "nay say" from the inactive people, who rarely active at otf visually... (id ask why but blerb \o/)<br><br>quoteth a freind<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->if the depts weren't central to the outpost they would have a wider appeal and it could only emphase that this is a multi-faceted community, if each team can fully do their job it is going to bring people in who are interested in art... people who are gamers, etc, it will be more than just a sci-fi community...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Somthing to throw around.<br><br><b>XZ</b> - <i>Bringing Controversail issues to your ear FTW</i>
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skevington
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 11:48
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This is also something that has been in my mind for quite a while, especially with regards to Guilds. I think;
If each team/department, operated independantly each team could cater to a larger market. At the moment, the role of the departments seem to be to entertain and cater to the Outpost10f science fiction/fantasy community.
The above isn't necessarily going to work in my opinion anymore. It would only work in a similar manner to devolution has, each team would still answer to the Outpost as such but would have more powers to do what they do, rather than having everything being geared towards THIS community, but perhaps to users of the net in general...
Guilds would cater to the Arts in their entirety.
Gaming could cater to the gaming community in its entirety.
And the same applies to other teams. Although some would still need to be geared towards OTF specifically, not ALL of them have to be...
Just something to think on.
Dmitri
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kady
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 13:31
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Hrmmm....
In theory, it sounds plausible, but ultimately, I think it would only create more rifts within the population at OTF. There already presently exists an "Us vs. Them" mentality and the only thing that controls that mentality from growing out of hand is the notion that we must get along to cohabitate at the outpost.
Most of us, in essence, are people who isolate ourselves....we prefer to spend time by ourselves which is why we spend so much of our time online. I'm not sure further promotion of such a mentality is the best option for fostering real life social skills and for the growth of the outpost as a community.
It is healthy to mingle with people of various interests and diversities. It teaches us to appreciate that and those who we already may not agree with or understand.
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lzrman
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 18:55
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"Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't"
Some people want to see OTF Progress but there are certain aspects that hinder this progress.
I am all for departments expanding in a de-centralized way. But there are still rules and regulations that would have to be followed.
Kady is right there is a "Us vs. Them" senario in the community, how do we just say, lets work together as a 'team' and get this done"
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methos
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 19:54
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Or we could just unplug the server and save time.
OTF has survived a lot longer than any other site that is similar in nature and without going commercial. In other words it works. There are those that have come, gone and come back again as well. Again because it works. Others have come up with their own smart *cough* ideas. They failed. OTF works as it is. If you don't think so the door is right over there *points to X in right hand corner*. Use it.
Kyp
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babel
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 20:00
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I'm sorry, but in my view this would sound the death-knell for OTF. Everything must remain under one roof - we lose that, we lose everything.
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rpmobsession
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 21:02
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I don't think I understand. Especially the guilds point. I mean, I know every guild does way more than just "sci-fi" things. Music guild does bios and revs on more than just sci-fi composers and songs. Film reviews more than just sci-fi movies. Poetry doesn't do really much with sci-fi anyways. Library has way more than just sci-fi books. Writer's does very little with sci-fi. And, artist doesn't do sci-fi themes rarely at all. The Trivia department kind of has to be sci-fi themed considering most of their work is showed off in-chat. And, people don't come to sci-fi chatrooms unless their into sci-fi, generally. And, they're always open to suggestions on new themed trivias. And, they generally take part in the special times during the year, such as the recent Talk Like a Pirate Day. And, gaming, I thought did more than just sci-fi things as well. So, I'm really not seeing the point here. Keeping it all under one roof allows optimum communication between departements and more involvement from the community as a whole. Not to mention, you signed up for a sci-fi community. If you wanted a different kind of atmosphere, check out google sometime. Or, imagine this, get involved in your OWN community, you know the one that exists outside of the realm of the world wide web? *l*
Personally, I like the structured atmosphere of OTF. You know what your in for. You know what kind of response you're going to get. And, honestly, the possibilities within the department are pretty limited to only your own creativity.
CL5 RPMO
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kady
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2006 13:07
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One doesn't need to be a science fiction fan to enjoy OTF. I have never been able to sit through a single Star Wars movie, nor have I seen more than mere glimpses of the Original Star Trek movies. I enjoy that which is 'good'....my interests are diversified and eclectic.
The only Star Trek shows I've ever really watched are from Star Trek: The Next Generation. I've never watched Stargate, or TOS, or any of the other Trek shows. Yet, I probably frequent OTF more than most chatters.
And yes, I was one of those chatters who came, then left for many years and returned, then have taken brief hiatuses but have always returned. There are people here who I avoid and people who inspire me to stick around. There are likewise people who avoid me like the plague and people who enjoy my company. Over the years, I have made mistakes and I have learned many valuable lessons.
Here's what I've learned. If someone brings up a conversation and makes suggestions (even if you don't agree with them) you *never* tell them that they can just leave. You listen to them, hear them out, and make your decisions accordingly. You don't have to adhere to the suggestions made. You do, however, have to respect them while they're being addressed. Is my point understood? 
And yes, I'm a strong woman with a tempermental personality. If you don't like it, you can always click the x in the right hand corner.
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kayana
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2006 21:33
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Kudos to XZ for thinking up of a new idea. Personally however I don't like it. I like OTF because it's a small, personal, community (unlike say yahoo or whatever) and if you devolve the guilds it makes OTF more impersonal. Instead of catering to OTFers it starts catering to everyone on the net and hence becomes less and less OTF-related. Sure some people may be enduced to join OTF but then where are the good stuff, like the in jokes and OTF related content? If I just wanted games or poetry etc I could search for it myself I like OTF departments because it lets me see what my friends have done, share with them what I do etc etc. Devolving means losing the personal touch.
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david1
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2006 12:57
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<!--QuoteBegin--kayana+Oct. 07 2006,21:33--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (kayana @ Oct. 07 2006,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Kudos to XZ for thinking up of a new idea.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Hey im not here to post good or bad idea's im here to get them debated ...<br><br>Long have people moaned on msn to me about this n that and such.<br><br>Yes some of my ideas might be wrong, some might be right.. i dont care, im just "making the first step", to get things discussed /o\.<br><br>After All, this is our site, <br><br>... and i quoteth<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Outpost 10F is structured in a fashion that encourages membership the opportunity to participate and <b><i>play a role the community's development</b></i>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><sub><a href="http://www.outpost10f.com/about_us.shtml">source</sub></a><br><br>ust here to anoy <!--emo&:k--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':k'><!--endemo--> <br><br><b>XZ</b>
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stevennorton
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 10:34
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Out-sourcing the Outpost couldn't work. Before everything really came together the departments had very little in the way of reasources, but survived because that was what they were used to. To truely de-centralize most of the 'home site' reasources would need to be removed, in a way stream lining what remained 'home site' but totally killing the departments ability to function.
Plus I hate call centers in India 
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crazytexan
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 18:24
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I pity the fool that makes Mr. T weep. 
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micha_bravo
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 18:24
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We can't get enough members to buy accounts and help support the community now. Who's gonna fund everything after you decentralize? Who's gonna pay for the server space? Who's gonna deny my promotion? Seriously it takes great resources beyond just money to keep OTF alive and kicking. Think of it as if it were Linux. One person doesn't maintain Linux. One site doesn't maintain Linux, a community does.
Interesting idea though.
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kady
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 18:33
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*chokes and gasps* OMG! CT is funny? 
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citron
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 18:36
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 Thanks CT, for saying what a lot of people were thinking 
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christena
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 18:54
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*LMAO* CeeT yer such a goofball! 
and *coughs* I agree with Dawnie and CeeT*nods*
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 19:05
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<!--QuoteBegin--citron+Oct. 10 2006,18:36--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (citron @ Oct. 10 2006,18:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/haw.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> Thanks CT, for saying what a lot of people were thinking <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Yep, I was thinking the same thing! <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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aeon
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2006 21:24
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CT, I shall respect you even more now, which is almost impossible, because I already respect you so much. 
*huggles*
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lythria_2005
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 05:54
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De-centralise OTF???
I'm sorry, if that ever happened I would probably resign my commission. OTF is a centralised community, working to better everything, and not just the respective departments, chat rooms etc etc. If we decentralize it, OTF would becom a merc type of family, with everyone working to meet their own selfish needs...
I can't agree with this idea. I am here to better OTF, not just Trivia, Tribune and Gaming. I am here for all the chat rooms, not just ten forward. I am here for every member, not just those I know.
If we were to de-cetralise it all, everything would loose it's OTF-ness. The mor epower would mean that, instead of Ten forward being OTF's Star Trek Chat Room. It would be A Chat Room hosted by OTF. OTF would just be pushed into hosting duties, and everyone would bicker and argue more than they do now.
At least now we have a recognisable aim. A sense of unity to better OTF as a whole, and that is what I am here for.
I do thinkhowever, the certain things do need to be looked at, such as the aim of OTF. Where is it heading? What is our next move? Publicity? etc etc.
so no, I do not think De-centralising OTF is a good idea, but I am just one person.
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david1
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 06:58
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<!--QuoteBegin--crazytexan+Oct. 10 2006,18:24--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (crazytexan @ Oct. 10 2006,18:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><img src="http://members.outpost10f.com/~crazytexan/misc/crapthread.jpg" border="0"><br>I pity the fool that makes Mr. T weep. <!--emo&:o--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ann.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':o'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>i feel like bursting the bubble ... >.<
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david1
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 07:18
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>.<
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david1
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 07:19
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>.<
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david1
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 07:20
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enough bubble bursting for now anyho. >.<
Bye
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skevington
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 07:43
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Woah, way to trash and disrespect someone's idea there guys, very nicely done, why not take a moment to pat yourself on the back, you ALL deserve it!
Dmitri
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krillen488
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 08:04
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Personally i think this is a GREAT idea. Alot of the departments are slowly dying due to an inability to fully do what they think is best for OTF because of all the check and ballances that have to be gone through to be able to get anything done. Some departments, like Entertainment and Guilds, would greatly benefit from being able to fully run themselves. This is just one crazy mans opinion though, and On a bit of a side note, i think that was a bit out of place CT, one of the things i like so much about OTF is the ability to speak freely without fear of ridicule for your ideas or opinions and what you posted when completely against that.
Krillen
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lzrman
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 08:44
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<!--QuoteBegin--krillen488+Oct. 11 2006,08:04--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (krillen488 @ Oct. 11 2006,08:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally i think this is a GREAT idea. Alot of the departments are slowly dying due to an inability to fully do what they think is best for OTF because of all the check and ballances that have to be gone through to be able to get anything done. Some departments, like Entertainment and Guilds, would greatly benefit from being able to fully run themselves. This is just one crazy mans opinion though, and On a bit of a side note, i think that was a bit out of place CT, one of the things i like so much about OTF is the ability to speak freely without fear of ridicule for your ideas or opinions and what you posted when completely against that.<br><br>Krillen<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I think this sums up what I was going to say.<br><br>I'll bet if you let depts grow how "they" want to grow and not how the "others" want it to grow, then you get quite a hot department pouring out projects and ways to "improve" this community.<br><br>Lzrman
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jaquaia
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 08:48
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I don't see the harm in throwing around ideas and discussing them as a community. One of things I love so much about this place in the short time I've been here is that you could post what you want without fear of ridicule, please don't make me change my mind about that
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crazytexan
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 09:01
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Seeing how no one can take a joke these days...to clarify, discussing ideas and making suggestions are very important. This is why we have the Suggestion Box and the forums, among other means to mention ideas. For the most part, a majority of the ideas and suggestions submitted are implemented. Some take longer than others, but that is how it goes. Some ideas are too good to pass up, while others are pipe dreams and unrealistic even if we had the latest technology, trained professionals, and sacrificed all available time to make it happen.
It's all about being realistic. Even if we crammed all of the bells and whistles it still wouldn't be good enough for some people. Certain aspects of OTF works, some doesn't...such is life.
De-centralizing OTF, while a topic worth discussing on one hand, simply isn't feasible based on the time, resources, and personnel we currently have available. It would take months, possibly years to complete such an overhaul. Same goes for the "OTF vs. Myspace" ideas that were mentioned in another thread. The ideas XZ, Stuart, and others pointed out in the 'OTF vs., Myspace' thread have merit, but Andrew Maxwell needs to make that decision as owner of Outpost10f.com.
I for one feel that our departments have the freedom and flexibility to do what they want within the boundaries of current server space, available personnel, and volunteer time given by the OTF membership. I personally let the SM's and departments do whatever they wish as long as they don't crash the server. I encourage the Senior Managers and their respective teams to come up with contests and events to entertain the masses, take risks, and try new ideas. If this is not the case, then I hope the Senior Managers and Sector Commanders would bring this up for discussion, but when I see a quiet mailing list, I figure all is going well.
Senior Managers - Are y'all really not letting your staff do whatever they want? *gasp* I find this claim to be absurd and inaccurate.
If there is a particular problem with a project, team, or division in your department or there is a clear lack of communication, then I suggest doing your part to talk to your SM, TL's, etc...If there have been little to no results, then be persistent and try again.
For the longest time people complained that there is too much structure and 'red-tape' to go through to get anything done, so that was relaxed, and now people want even more layers of structure, management, etc...So find a happy balance and go with the flow.
Lee - *pats*
Krillen - Noted. But a wise man once said, "In life, you give a little s**t and you take a little s**t". *shrugs*
I've e-mailed the Executive Council (which the Senior Managers are on) and we'll discuss the decentralization ideas that have been brought forward by XZ. In the meantime, please feel free to flame away, and exercise your ability to speak freely.
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babel
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 09:19
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<!--QuoteBegin--aeon+Oct. 10 2006,21:24--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (aeon @ Oct. 10 2006,21:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->CT, I shall respect you even more now, which is almost impossible, because I already respect you so much. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--><br><br>*huggles*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I lost all respect for him the day he told me I looked fat in my 7 of 9 catsuit <!--emo&:o--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ann.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':o'><!--endemo-->
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skevington
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 09:20
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*LOL* Thanks CT, appreciate it.
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