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david1
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# Posted: 27 May 2010 12:18
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heres what a site (old one) says about us lmao

Here's a spiffy HTML-based chat with a lot of features. Once you've figured out how it works it's very nice.


I find that so funny, as "figuring out how the chat works" is fundemental to using the website.

Been doing market research today on star trek starwars etc, see what is "in" and what is "out".
And my opinion is as follows.
Star Trek
90% of the star trek traffic is based around the Star trek online game. the rest is predominatly made up of old simming fleets. We are the sole active star trek chatroom from what I can gather. We have the lucrative No1 spot of google search results.

Star Wars
Little harder A lot of the interest in this is still the hardcore people and predominatly the young ones, and their clone wars. If we are still thinking of persuing star wars gerne at this site, im thinking we really need to open up to these "young uns" as they are the future of starwars. We cant survive off old timers comming back, as they dont come back to work hard. HA. We have the lucrative no1 spot in google search results with both spelling star wars and starwars.



I coin the this phrase to OTF
Move with the Times, or end up getting left behind

lzrman
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# Posted: 31 May 2010 06:21
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Great Quote!!

What about the taking 2 steps back to make it one step forward? Always running in the past.

ajcardall
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# Posted: 31 May 2010 20:31
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Why are we not really exploiting Facebook a lot more? There are surely scores of Star Trek/Wars pages on FB - easy places to plug and tap into a market?

I know we have a fan group on there, but if you search for either Star Trek or Wars, OTF doesn't show up. You need to be searching for OTF, and if people don't know we're out there, they won't be searching, will they?

Plug on FB, is my advice.

david1
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# Posted: 31 May 2010 21:02
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yeah well Hal did they theyre adding the facebook click on the updates,. but i think marketing has to be sorted out as they as far as im aware run these places.

ajcardall
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# Posted: 31 May 2010 21:27
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That's all well and good, but how will adding it to OUR updates bring more people in? We need to start hammering the CURRENT popular ST/SW pages on FB and plugging OTF shamelessly.

Letting out existing members know about our page won't make much of an impact on recruitment and new people joining.

david1
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2010 09:14
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Well then solution.

-> Create a OTF Entertainment Page On facebook.
(if you need to see an example of how this could work, i would refer you to the Steam facebook page)
-> Create a OTF Entertaiment Blog ( for us in the coalition government to update)
-> Create RSS Feeds for entertainment, so those who subscribe can have them delivered straight to their inbox's.
(Kinda like our own updates board )

Then we get OTF Ent Plugged into every site out there st/sw/lotor/sg/heroes... etc to bring them in. HA

tycho
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2010 11:35
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Not too long and there will be The Old Republic, hopefully the most awesome MMORPG ever
I expect it to draw more attention back to Star Wars so we need something on that as well. ( Gaming job, I guess)
News, a guild / guilds perhaps?
We shouldn't miss hopping on that train next year.

And yeah, social media is huge these days.
Many companies are present within the networks and so shall we

ajcardall
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2010 11:53
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Quoting: david1
-> Create a OTF Entertainment Page On facebook.
(if you need to see an example of how this could work, i would refer you to the Steam facebook page)
-> Create a OTF Entertaiment Blog ( for us in the coalition government to update)
-> Create RSS Feeds for entertainment, so those who subscribe can have them delivered straight to their inbox's.


I definitely like the idea of an ENT Page on Facebook. ENT is reponsible for all our major events and selling points (not to be boastful) and getting ourselves out there would be excellent for exposure.

ajcardall
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2010 11:54
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Quoting: tycho
Not too long and there will be The Old Republic, hopefully the most awesome MMORPG ever
I expect it to draw more attention back to Star Wars so we need something on that as well. ( Gaming job, I guess)
News, a guild / guilds perhaps?
We shouldn't miss hopping on that train next year.


Definitely. STO, from my understanding, pretty much flopped on its arse?

We definitely should get stuff ready in advance for TOR. I'll let you and your cronies sort that?

tiamai
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2010 21:54
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I think the black and dark blue is so 10 years ago. It hurts my eyes. Now, you may say that's just age, but I'd kick your butt.

And the text is too small too.

And why can't lv 4+ insert hyperlinks or pictures? What's the danger of having those clicky things rather than HTML (which lets face it, is stupid unless your way too clever for your own good (you know who you are)). We have plenty of higher ranking folk to kick them out if they are spamming, but most of our cl4+ wouldn't actually spam anyway. Does it slow things down that much?

Buttons are too small.

It just makes the place look cluttered and dated.

And it's sad to see it wasting away.

david1
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 01:45 · Edited by: david1
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do you use ie or ff? and have a wheel mouse? hold down the control button and scrool with your wheel on your mouse. =)

IM speaking for myself when I say this, but I dont think the site is wasting away, its just like an old couple, when your use to it, it gets boring, we need to find otf a New wife =)

As for Hyperlinks and images in the chatroom, I only assume theres a reason of moderating the links, its assumed that someoene whos attained cl6 status has a lot of passion for the site and would be less inclined to post porn/hostile/spam related links/images in the chatroom.


I could easily get r&d to look at developing a code to add to the chat script to do this for cl4 (something like bb code =) E.G. it would have [b] and [i] and [img=LINK] and [link=LINK] ) and propose it to them, however im thinking it might end up like a dead horse, but who knows.

citron
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 07:14
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My 2 cents? If we're talking about the general improvement of OTF..

The homepage needs to go. It advertises three separate genre chats, when they were all amalgamated into one a while ago. As much as the homepage was great, back in the day, it should be updated.

Hal and Iain are great, but having a couple more hands on leaders might help. Even if it's just someone there for PR reasons and to field issues/complaints/problems before going to Hal and Iain.

Also, as much as ENT is awesome, we can't just have one department. If members of the others departments have not done anything in over a month, get rid of them. Having no one is better than having an illusion that someone might actually start working on them.
I would love to see Guilds make a comeback.

Promotions need to be revisited. It is way too hard and long of a time to get from CL2 to say CL8.

Monthly awards should be brought back. But this time, each recipient should be given something fun for the week after winning. Like custom rank or avatar if lower than CL7.

david1
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 11:03
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Quoting: citron
The homepage needs to go. It advertises three separate genre chats, when they were all amalgamated into one a while ago. As much as the homepage was great, back in the day, it should be updated.


My understand why they kept that was to due to links and such. If someone comes to the website and only sees chatroom x or only tenforward, as a starw wars fan they may be less inclined to enter, and thus having all 3 seperate images, creates the illusion that there is 3 different ones.

Quoting: citron
Hal and Iain are great, but having a couple more hands on leaders might help. Even if it's just someone there for PR reasons and to field issues/complaints/problems before going to Hal and Iain.


Personally i think they do need help, however i think otf is under ""roman"" rules at the moment, i times of great suffering etc, they appoint one leader to make all the decisions instead of a council. Anyway personally if anyones going to be shoved on the executive panel, they ned to be someone active and with a lot of passion and drive for otf, and not someone who just knows the right people etc. mleh.

Quoting: citron
Also, as much as ENT is awesome, we can't just have one department. If members of the others departments have not done anything in over a month, get rid of them. Having no one is better than having an illusion that someone might actually start working on them.


A lot of things are happening in ent, if you havent spotted yet, the ent leadership is greater in size then the otf leadership *coughs* ... with a special reason though. All I can say is watch this space =)

Quoting: citron
I would love to see Guilds make a comeback.

Ive not been in guild and as such cant make much of a comment, but from past conversations etc, it seems like a lot of guilds competes with wikipedia and a lot of the internet, personally I think guilds should only be concentrating on what otf'ers want, i.e. info on sci-fi shows, did you know this crap on star wars and star trek etc.
I think at one point guilds tried to be everything, and as such got to big and imploded on itself. But thats only me guessing. But i can say from my own experience, if i want to know somthing, i go to google and type it in the search box and i get a wealth of answers, and otf would really be the last place id think of for info considering the amount of feedback/responces i could get from google would outweigh it.

Quoting: citron
Promotions need to be revisited. It is way too hard and long of a time to get from CL2 to say CL8.


I dunno ive seen some promoted to cl8 with less then 3 months time at cl7 . I dont think its too long, i just think a lot of people would like to get past cl4 without contributing to otf, and i think that needs to be addressed. Maybe having a cl 4.5 rank exclusive. mleh. or chainging the cl5 rank. but then we'd have people hovering at cl5 for ages and then moaning then want cl6 .. mleh. You get as much as you give is how it should be. I think the current structure effectivly does that.

Maybe looking into the cl4 - cl5 promo requirement and have the current rule of minumin requiremenet, however add a new rule to it so it has a "maxumin" duration at that cl. e.g. 12 months, or 24 months, at the end they are assessed and are given cl5 promo OR given a reason why they arnt getting cl5.

I personally think that is the issue here that people are in departments and have been for years and are not getting promotions, and they dont understand why. Adding a Maxumin duration review, would enable them to get feedback so they know which area's to work on.

Quoting: citron
Monthly awards should be brought back. But this time, each recipient should be given something fun for the week after winning. Like custom rank or avatar if lower than CL7.


Whats that? mleh. Lol i was thinking somthing simular to birthdays for instance, adding somthing in exclusive to special circumstances. which cant be rank attained.

david1
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 11:11
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Quoting: tycho
Not too long and there will be The Old Republic, hopefully the most awesome MMORPG ever


You better have big plans in gaming for this ... HAHA

robertwerner
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 11:35
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Quoting: david1
I dunno ive seen some promoted to cl8 with less then 3 months time at cl7 . I dont think its too long, i just think a lot of people would like to get past cl4 without contributing to otf, and i think that needs to be addressed. Maybe having a cl 4.5 rank exclusive. mleh. or chainging the cl5 rank. but then we'd have people hovering at cl5 for ages and then moaning then want cl6 .. mleh. You get as much as you give is how it should be. I think the current structure effectivly does that.



I've given a lot in my time as CL4.. *ahem* SEVEN DANG YEARS *ahem* Yet I'll still at the same rank.

citron
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 14:30
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David, I never said anything against ENT, just that the other groups might do well to get an overhaul, please read what I've said more carefully.

If you've seen a promotion like that, it was under the old system. With 2.0, you are only eligible to even be nominated in the control panel when you've completed your time.
You can not be promoted unless you've spent many months at the higher levels.

ajcardall
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 14:40
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Hey folks,

I pretty much agree with what Dawn said =D I did send a promotion overhaul suggestion a while ago, but never heard anything back. HAL/Iain, if you cehck this thread, I can re-send if you happened to miss it? It was during a lul and busy time for both of yourselves, so...

I've got quite a few ideas floating around and will probably get them into email and send them off. As for ENT - thanks, Dawn =D I know things were a little quiet a while ago. Things are finally moving now. Hopefully, if we succeed, other departments can be reintroduced as well?

iain
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 15:36
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Quoting: david1
Personally i think they do need help, however i think otf is under ""roman"" rules at the moment, i times of great suffering etc, they appoint one leader to make all the decisions instead of a council. Anyway personally if anyones going to be shoved on the executive panel, they ned to be someone active and with a lot of passion and drive for otf, and not someone who just knows the right people etc. mleh.

Unfortunately, it seems that the people we appoint get busy too; Ray (Hobbie), Polson and Lee (Dmitri) all are (were?) meant to perform this role.

Quoting: ajcardall
HAL/Iain, if you cehck this thread, I can re-send if you happened to miss it? It was during a lul and busy time for both of yourselves, so...

Please!

tiamai
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 16:42
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Re: cl4 and hyperlinks and what not.

The thing is, this place is pretty boring if you are a cl4 because you can't do very much (not what you could do in other chatrooms). There isn't much to encourage you to try and move up the ranks. You get to cl5 and then what? Unless your face fits (sorry to say, it has and always will be a case of face fits due to the promotion system) you will linger there forever.

Plus a few interactive light sabres and what not would jazz it up a bit, some pow-pow and shawooosh-sweeense sound effects too.

ajcardall
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 16:56
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Iain, email sent as requested

Similarly, not to 'ask' for a posting, but if you do need help with admin/pr side of everything, let me know

david1
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 16:58
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Quoting: citron
If you've seen a promotion like that, it was under the old system. With 2.0, you are only eligible to even be nominated in the control panel when you've completed your time.
You can not be promoted unless you've spent many months at the higher levels.


It was less then 12 months ago *coughs*

tycho
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 21:16
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Quoting: ajcardall
Similarly, not to 'ask' for a posting, but if you do need help with admin/pr side of everything, let me know


And me too

jd
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2010 21:58
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Quoting: david1


My understand why they kept that was to due to links and such. If someone comes to the website and only sees chatroom x or only tenforward, as a star wars fan they may be less inclined to enter, and thus having all 3 separate images, creates the illusion that there is 3 different ones.


If I recall, revamping the homepage has been on the books for quite a while, but nobody ever stepped up to plate as far as a new design went. Admittedly, this was months ago, so maybe someone new wants to give it a shot? We could throw a post on the updates and as for new design submissions or something to try to get the ball rolling. I DO agree with keeping the separate logins though, for just the reason David stated. Even just updating the links/calender/announcements/whatever on the HP would be a good start.

Quoting: Citron

I would love to see Guilds make a comeback.


The main problem with Guilds from what I've seen is a lack of manpower, or to be more precise, manpower spread too thinly. Quite a few of the teams are technically active, but only consist of one or two people a piece. The main issue seems to be a lack of programmers/designers to get the sites relaunched.

As far as the promotion system goes, I agree that some tweaking would make a lot of people happier. However, regardless of what changes are made, there's going to be a bit of harrumphing and muttering, as some people take those little numbers next to their name far too seriously.

robertwerner
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# Posted: 4 Jun 2010 02:58
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Quoting: tiamai
The thing is, this place is pretty boring if you are a cl4 because you can't do very much (not what you could do in other chatrooms). There isn't much to encourage you to try and move up the ranks. You get to cl5 and then what? Unless your face fits (sorry to say, it has and always will be a case of face fits due to the promotion system) you will linger there forever.


I personally believe that over the course of SEVEN YEARS I've done MORE then enough to build up for a CL5.

jd
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# Posted: 4 Jun 2010 03:23
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Yeah, we heard you the first time. It still doesn't make it have anything to do with the topic at hand, nor does it address any of the issues you quoted. =P

As for allowing unrestricted HTML and such use in the room, does anyone remember what went down the LAST time that happened? We have it for about an hour before someone started trying to post porn in the room. Luckily, he was bad at HTML and failed, but the point remains that it would have to be more heavily policed than just plain text. Saying that, however, I don't really see the harm in allowing text links, as long as the URL's still displayable. That, and disabling tinyurl.com and other redirects probably wouldn't be a terrible idea.

david1
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# Posted: 4 Jun 2010 08:15
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Quoting: jd
If I recall, revamping the homepage has been on the books for quite a while, but nobody ever stepped up to plate as far as a new design went. Admittedly, this was months ago, so maybe someone new wants to give it a shot?


Simply Put We where told NOT to. , and half of r&d left because that was the sole reason for comming back. *mleh*. They have their reasons.

Quoting: robertwerner
I personally believe that over the course of SEVEN YEARS I've done MORE then enough to build up for a CL5.


... And personally I believe ive done enough to cl12. but mleh, the world and otf dont work like that at all LOL

Quoting: jd
Yeah, we heard you the first time.

Want to hear it again?

Quoting: jd
As for allowing unrestricted HTML and such use in the room, does anyone remember what went down the LAST time that happened? We have it for about an hour before someone started trying to post porn in the room. Luckily, he was bad at HTML and failed, but the point remains that it would have to be more heavily policed than just plain text. Saying that, however, I don't really see the harm in allowing text links, as long as the URL's still displayable. That, and disabling tinyurl.com and other redirects probably wouldn't be a terrible idea.


as I said....
Quoting: david1
As for Hyperlinks and images in the chatroom, I only assume theres a reason of moderating the links, its assumed that someoene whos attained cl6 status has a lot of passion for the site and would be less inclined to post porn/hostile/spam related links/images in the chatroom.

I could easily get r&d to look at developing a code to add to the chat script to do this for cl4 (something like bb code =) E.G. it would have [b] and [i] and [img=LINK] and [link=LINK] ) and propose it to them, however im thinking it might end up like a dead horse, but who knows.


If a seperate code is developed for use within the chatroom, (not html) that could possiblly help give them "somthing" even if we dont allow images but just go for [b] [i] [link=LINK] [color=COLOR].

And maybe install a requirement as 6 months at cl4 to get it. Knida works as a bridge between cl4 - cl5

ajcardall
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# Posted: 4 Jun 2010 09:30
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Robert,

I see your point, but I will say that since we've effectively "started over" with departments, what you may have done over the past 7 years doesn't really have an impact now - it's what happens over the past few weeks and from now on.

Also, PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, but I am reluctant to submit names of people who are seen to be complaining publicly about it all. Rest assured, however, if you do put some good work in over the next month or two, it will be duely noted by myself when I am doing my recommendations

david1
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# Posted: 4 Jun 2010 10:42
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Note we need to add a "like" button to forum posts so we can "like" certain posts

As AJ said

tiamai
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# Posted: 5 Jun 2010 09:49
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David, I like that idea about the code thing (wot you said, up there).

I think I am technically still in writers guild, wonder if Jaq wants to get it back up and running?

david1
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# Posted: 5 Jun 2010 18:08
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|Is Jaq still around?, havent heard from here for a long time

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