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xmtg2o7
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2010 20:37
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Quoting: laart
without the refresh it takes ages took me 45 minutes to clear it while other wise it would take 10 to 15 max

and david i found a new bug sort of: when you have no turns you still can scan sectors without paying the turn you normaly use


I assume you mean scanning a single sector at a time instead of a full scan? If so then it's been like that for a long time. I've always used the scan (open link in a new tab) vs the full scan so I could see every sector without wasting a turn...

On the topic of SOFA'S... I think it should just be a trade route design as someone else said. Just select a planet, select amount of SOFA'S, and go from there. Same process as the four window trick (or refreshing), just faster.

I also think there should be a time frame where new (or maybe just the beginning of each round) players can't be attacked. It's hard when you play by the book (delete all warp links, find a sector without resources, ect.) and still get found by the top (thanks laart) player or someone stronger than you. The game's just not fun when you can't even get you're foot in the door.

One last thing. The reset should be at the beginning of the month, this round is over. The game is fun as it is, we just need more active players and more balance of power.

jimgolden
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2010 07:41
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i totally argee that the main problem with the game is the lack of playes , we need at least 30-40 players who are logging on constantly. and who know how to play the game. i believe a way of getting more players to keep coming online in the begining like say befour set a minimum level befour anyone can take peoples planets and destroy their ships. and maybe we need to lure some players from other bnt format games, there are some good players out there who dont even know about us here. as i said once befour a big improvement in my opinion would be liniking your cloke level to your planet so that the higher your cloke then the planet become invisible.

laart
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2010 21:50
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Quoting: jimgolden
in the beginning like say befour set a minimum level before anyone can take peoples planets and destroy their ships.


uhm taking stuff is part of the game so is destroying it's the reward for peeps that don't just trade and than igb every thing till max igb is achieved.
If more people knew the good ways to start the game there wouldn't even be a discussion about minimums required to attack planets/ships or scan or what other things you imply on

i'm still trying to get some other peeps to this server hope they'll join next round

-=The Crono Legion will prevail=-
Laart out

laart
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2010 21:53
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sorry i found you (and for next post i'm not a top player)

Quoting: xmtg2o7
and still get found by the top (thanks laart) player or someone stronger than you.


ask remulus, he'll confirm i'm just another n00b but he n00bs rule ^^

jimgolden
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2010 02:09
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Quoting: laart
If more people knew the good ways to start the game there wouldn't even be a discussion about minimums required to attack planets/ships or scan or what other things you imply on



thing is if you have only just begun the game for the first time it totally puts you off the game being destroyed by a top player make you wonder whats the point hence all the inactive player in the game

david1
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2010 10:42
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I also think there should be a time frame where new (or maybe just the beginning of each round) players can't be attacked. It's hard when you play by the book (delete all warp links, find a sector without resources, ect.) and still get found by the top (thanks laart) player or someone stronger than you. The game's just not fun when you can't even get you're foot in the door.


This is a very complicated issue, as pro players can advance significantly faster then "minor" players. And as such putting into place any system (i.e. time frame) would only server as an advantage to advanced players.

thing is if you have only just begun the game for the first time it totally puts you off the game being destroyed by a top player make you wonder whats the point hence all the inactive player in the game


This has always been a problem across all servers, new players get crushed, constantly, im thinking hard on this topic.

How do you make it safe for new players without tipping the balance of the game in their favour hehe.

jimgolden
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2010 14:26
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Quoting: david1
This has always been a problem across all servers, new players get crushed, constantly, im thinking hard on this topic.

How do you make it safe for new players without tipping the balance of the game in their favour hehe.




all new players could be put into a begginers alliance with a non agression pact with all other alliances. not sure how that would work but just thinking out loud.....basically i used my own common sence and dont kill anyone who i have noticed dnt really know how to play the game , i wont take a very poorly defended planet from a player with a low score as they are offften just begginers. i have encouraged other players onto this game. hopefully more players who know how to play will start new round top10 players should have 1million score or above in a good round

laart
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2010 22:20
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but if you make a time span where new players can't be attacked you're only delaying the problem cause the aggressive players will make a map for them self and wait till new protection is expired seen it on the Swedish server where they tried a similar thing no attacks or sofa's in the first week and on day 8 i took out 6 of the top 10 players and the people on the forum started to ask for a reset cause the game was out of balance then they tried some recoding to make it harder to attack that round failed cause no-one ever attacked and survived so the player that builds the smartest won that round but that's only a fraction of the game attacks are one of the main feats and it would be a waste to loose them

I would suggest to play the next round with these settings no changes and if it turns out the way it did this time than you should check what to change because it could be just luck and pure chance that the Crono's won the round (and some poor defending by the top players (If i can call the modern players that ) cause i laughed my pants off when i scanned some of the banks)

the thing that would make a round nice is total war with 4 or more allainces that are able to stand off attacks by the others so the game isn't won in a day and if there is a war between the stronger players the new players are les interesting cause most of them are a waste of turns, that way they can gain some experience and hopefully grow as players and i'm not suggesting that this is the way the round will go cause at the moment I think the difference in strength between crono legion/alliance of free stars and the other alliance is way to big, the first two named were from day two the top 5 players and that didn't change cause most of the players form those alliances just builded their empire and tried to hide form the others.
To make things more active i told the allaince of free stars my bank and the only thing they did was scan it every day after the relocation i told rolundor where it moved and the only thing he could reply was that: he like the idea to known where it was and he didn't like what he saw after the first time he scanned it.
So don't blame me for killing this round

Laart out

jimgolden
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2010 07:25
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Quoting: laart
but if you make a time span where new players can't be attacked you're only delaying the problem cause the aggressive players will make a map for them self and wait till new protection is expired seen it on the Swedish server where they tried a similar thing no attacks or sofa's in the first week and on day 8 i took out 6 of the top 10 players and the people on the forum started to ask for a reset cause the game was out of balance then they tried some recoding to make it harder to attack that round failed cause no-one ever attacked and survived so the player that builds the smartest won that round but that's only a fraction of the game attacks are one of the main feats and it would be a waste to loose them



I argee that there should not be a time were vunrable cant be attacked as its part of the game to either destroy or build , i just think there need to be a way a new player cant get to grips with trade routing , planet managining befour they are wiped out and leave the website. as i said above im not sure how but its worth looking at a solution for a first time player to have a chance.

demonvamp
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2010 10:34
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This is why I stopped playing. I was only ever really a casual BNT-er and so I never became that good at it. I got disheartened by losing all my planets and never getting above a certain level.

Mind you, I also pretty much loathe online multiplayers for the same reason. I want to game for fun and at my own pace. Not get wiped out in the blink of an eye.

I'm an old fashioned, Pong kinda nerd.

laart
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2010 18:46
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so maybe we should turn bnt into a farmville like game xD the others can help but not destroy the more friends you have the harder you grow
If that's the kind of game we are aiming at i think you can get a bigger player field than we have now but i also think that most players that played bnt won't enjoy it very much

I have an other suggestion why not run a small universe that resets every week so people can gain more experience in the beginning of the game so they won't waste turns flying in rs with engines 0 and then they might see that you should trade organics for energy cause there is no profit but then again it wouldn't solve the problem cause on day 8 a brand new day starts in the main bnt from which point the new players won't know what to do so they improvise and then when a big mean evil player comes along and shots their tin can out of this universe they never know what hit them

-Laart out-

jimgolden
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2010 19:03
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Quoting: laart
I have an other suggestion why not run a small universe that resets every week so people can gain more experience in the beginning of the game



This ws an idea similar to what i was thinking , something like a bnt leauge where if you finish in the top 3 of the game you get promoted to a higher level with better players, making the main bnt league of the best players from the lower one would stop anyone complaining that the players in the game dont know what there doing if they have already won or fininshed high in the lowwer bnt ....an amature and pro universe... abit like a football leauge 3 players up and 3 down

laart
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2010 21:33
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only problem with that system is that we have only a few players

jimgolden
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2010 00:47
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Quoting: laart
only problem with that system is that we have only a few players




Agreed..... the system itself would work though just need to get more players

alex1981m
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2010 09:40
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Things are getting silent here.
Server closed, but since I have been away for a couple of weeks I have heard no word on what is happening.

Did the project get abandoned again?

jimgolden
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2010 17:02
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Had a message last week saying it was closing on a wedensday , and would be back on the friday , never said which friday ????



looking forward to the new round , if it happens

)banter(

daecrist
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2010 19:35
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BNT hasn't been abandoned, but we aren't going to continue the game on the OTF server. I can't say more than that at the moment, unfortunately, but we have a pretty good reason.

alex1981m
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2010 18:44
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That is really sad to hear.
Or maybe it is for the best.

Don't know what is behind this. But when the new server pops up somewhere and I am no longer to busy at work I will surely join once again.

laart
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2010 22:33
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uhm

Quoting: daecrist
BNT hasn't been abandoned, but we aren't going to continue the game on the OTF server. I can't say more than that at the moment, unfortunately, but we have a pretty good reason.


then how is this :

Players Online: 1
Number Of Players: 4
Server Status: Open
New Accounts: Open
Sofa Allowed: Active
Newbie Nice: Active
Universe Size: 2,000
150 seconds until next update.

possible?

If the round resets I hope you'll let us know so we can enjoy the game from the start

alex1981m
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2010 22:13
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yeah, things are going pretty strange at the moment.
What is going on with Blacknova?

david1
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2010 00:20
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Indeed sorry we have all been in london for a week, much has happened. New round will be comming soon im sure, cant explain much yet. have a poke in the server if you wish, however reset and new round will be commingvery shortly.

alex1981m
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2010 08:22
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Come on David...
I haven't had much time to play BC2, and now you are telling me you are going to change BNT again too?

Next time I get you in my scope I will put a bullet in your brains pal
Joking...so you know.

But seriously. My main issue with last BNT round(the reason why I left and Laart could take my bank so easely) was that with the disabling of refresh SOFA was almost impossible to do. I missed the action. Have you guys been finetuning this system or are we stuck in a planetbuilding race again?

I really hope it is the first. I just don't want to spend 4 hours doing sofa's...

Well, I hope to see as many of you online as possible soon...let's have some fun before reset.

david1
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2010 17:41
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4 window sofa is disabled for the first 2/3/4 (determined by admin) weeks after that its enabled, to let smaller players get a foot hold

alex1981m
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2010 20:57
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Agreed...they didn't have to fear anything from me anyway...

So if after a few wweeks I can Sofa the hell out of the Nr.1 or 2 I am fine...

xmtg2o7
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2010 00:34
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Glad to see it's back on, and the 4 window SOFA will be back. I am wondering what ever happened to loans? Sorry if I missed this already, just didn't feel like going through 7 pages for a possible answer.

robertwerner
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2010 06:07
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*rolls in*

Okays,so I was told to hop on in here by David,hopefully I can provide myself as an extra middle-man between the players and the admin staff.

alex1981m
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2010 12:26
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Well Robert...do we need a middleman to reach David?
If I want to show him how much I hate him I just put a bullit through his brains

and now serious...nice to see you...but what exactly are you planning to do here?

laart
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# Posted: 11 Apr 2011 17:45
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*And then Laart broke the silence*

Uhm when is the next reset cause somehow i lost track of time while waiting for the next month to start and since 2 of my other favourite bnt servers have been abandoned as well I was sort of hoping this one was coming back to life but it didn't and the forum died with it
But if someone reads this and thinks gosh forgot about pressing the little green button but now we are ready to go, then don't hold back and press it with all you mighty admin powers so we can once more play the game

thanks in advance


-=The Crono Legion will prevail=-
-Laart out-

jimgolden
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2011 18:19
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hey laart ,
dont reckon its gonna be reset hve you tried
http://games.blacknova.net/bnt1/login.php




Banter

ajcardall
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# Posted: 18 Apr 2011 07:29
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Hello, folks.

I'm not sure why this wasn't communicated to you all earlier, but BNT is on-hold due to ongoing legal issues.

Cheers,
AJ

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