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polson
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2004 18:38
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Okay, problem in OTF that bothers me greatly. Tolerance. People preach tolerance up and down the walls so long as it doesn't apply to them.
Now, I don't want to get into who's right about what, or what's right about who, details details, but I have never in chat belittled someone else's religious beliefs despite the fact I may not disagree with them, nor do I attempt to explain them and thereby misrepresent them. I do not wave banners about how they're wrong, even if I think they are wrong. KINDLY PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH AND RETURN THE SAME COURTISY. I am TIRED of people who claim religious tolerance yet completely slaughter my own beliefs. I am aware that many people have misrepresented their own faith, including mine, and that some people have made a bad name for certain beliefs, but if you are all really as tolerant as you claim everyone ought to be, then you should be able to see past that and show some respect . If you are incapable of doing this, then perhaps you shouldn't comment on the topic at all.
This wasn't posted to start a fight, or be offensive or intrusive or 'intolerant'. This is a member of OTF who has been offended and hurt expressing a desire for change. If your response to this post is unkind, then keep it out of the forums and just email me any nasty words you like. If your response is to delete this...email me and let's find a better way to get the message across.
Polson
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shakeycat
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 00:17
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I like chow mein 
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richard
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 03:13
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*hugsaPol*
Yay you. 
I totally agree.
P.S.
Tanya's got a point there too.......
Chow mein..... yummy 
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demonvamp
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 06:45
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yup yup to all including the chow
QD
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zilette
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 06:57
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Polsie I agree 200 percent.
The door of Tolerance swings both ways.
May we all take heed.
Have to admit there is some truth to these quotes:
Voltaire:
What is tolerance? -- it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly -- that is the first law of nature.
"Tolerance is a great trait to contain, but so is the ability to shut up."
Anonymous
Rene Dubos:
Human diversity makes tolerance more than a virtue; it makes it a requirement for survival.
Celebrations of Life, 1981
Zilette
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kittykat
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 11:57
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I don't like chow mein
and I can tolerate anyone beliefs just don't tell me you're "praying for my soul" or some such because I have a different belief. I find that incredibly insulting  So it goes both ways.
KK
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missmaul
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 12:05
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I agree. I tolerate everyone's believe, at least in a way that I don't tell them their wrong. I don't tell anyone off and don't give my opinion unless asked.
I do not have a believe myself and wish that that is respected too. I agree with KK on this one, no praying for my soul please. I'll live.
MM
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crazytexan
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 13:05
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So can I borrow your soul(s) for a joyride? I promise to bring it back without a scratch. 
Okay, so those that want to pray for someone, start with their little toes and work your way up to their souls. Maybe those little toes need the help since they get stubbed on furniture in the dark a few too many times.
Word of advice...when someone cleary tells you they don't want you to pray for them, don't tell them you are, just do it in silence. *shrugs* Just a random thought...mastering your inner dialouge is a wonderful thing.
Seriously, it does go both ways and I hope that not only the Prime Directives are in effect in these types of discussions should they occur in the OTF chatrooms but that people stick to simple common sense and not be so judgmental of someone based on a typical stereotype, regardless of their race, gender, nationality, sexual orientation, country/province/state/planet of orgin, religious/spiritual beliefs or non beliefs, and political affiliations. Get out there and talk to those that differ from your views...you'll get a lot to think about from the point of view of another should the 'tolerance/acceptance' door swing both ways.
Chow mein is good, if done right...
"Be excellent to each other." *air guitars*
CT
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kittykat
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 13:14
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I like other kinds of Chinese, just not so keen on Chow Mein
or is it black bean? whats in Chow Mein again and does it use black bean sauce?
KK
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polson
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 14:01
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CT, man, I learned that lesson the hard way. I dun tell anyone I'm praying for their salvation unless they outright ask.
I've never had chow mien.
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demonvamp
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 14:26
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shakeycat
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 16:18
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Mine has cashews and bean sprouts, shredded carrot, and broccoli! I say 'no chicken'. The cashews are gold
-Tanya
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katelyn
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 17:33
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Polson, after what happened the last time I was in the chat and my religious beliefs were openly mocked (if you remember that, as you were there too), I'm glad you posted this... I could not agree more, and that's all I have to say..
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hongjun
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 18:57
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hey
Chow mein is fried noodles, I think chow mein is the cantonese words for it.
So in theroy anything can go into it, chicken, beef, lamb, veggies, prawns.
Up in my neck of the woods they are incredibly hot and normaly get em to hold the peppers!
Hmm
As for tolerance, lets all try and remember that we aren't all going to agree on everything and we may all have to agree to disagree.
Hong
PS I hate to admit this but I have no tolerance for intolerance!
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polson
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 20:50
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Kate, yes I do remember that. And I also recall we both left.
If you can drive nuts like us out of chat...*shakes head*
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sym
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2004 21:29
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I would urge some caution here with the use of the word "tolerance".
Tolerance implies putting up with someone else's beliefs, enduring them rather then accepting and understanding difference.
So instead of tolerating everyone else, perhaps we should accept and rejoice in diversity and the cacophony of differing views and beliefs.
Sym
P.S. To whom it may concern, I was merely asking a question.
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babel
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 02:41
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Ah, the annual religion in the chat debate, eh? How quickly time flies!
I go along with Sym's views, and my own credo is 'do what thou wilt, but harm no other'. Well I didn't make it up, obviously. If I'd made it up there'd have been something about frogs in there as well, probably. Or curry. Or curried frogs.
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polson
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 08:31
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Symithin, the definition of tolerate has changed over the past few years. Generally, someone 60 years ago, would tell you tolerance meant respecting another's right to their own opinion, like you said. Now adays it's leaning more towards embracing another's opinions, or to "accept and rejoice in diversity and the cacophony of differing views and beliefs."
I for one will tolerate another's beliefs. I will not celebrate them. I will not rejoice in what I think is wrong, but I can still respect those who do. And I am tired of people who believe the two must be synominous (sp?), because they aren't.
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kittykat
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:57
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ahh maybe I don't dislike chow mein then *makes a mental note to try that next from the local Chinese*
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sym
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 18:41
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One does not need to accept these beliefs, rather it is a matter of celebrating that there is difference because difference and difference in opinion are what is beautiful about our modern society.
And I dare say, if one keeps thinking that someone else is wrong but that one can live with it, is that not merely putting up with somebody? You could even call it toleration.
Perhaps instead of respecting someone else's right to be wrong, we should move to understand where they are coming from and why they are saying such things.
Maybe then we can truly celebrate in diversity rather then a facade of tolerance bereft of true understanding.
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deanna
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 19:53
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*sits in awe of Sym and big words*
Can I sum it up with "Can't we all just get along?"
Nicely done however, I'd give you a 10 for speech class.
I like chow mein, I prefer Lo Mein however
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polson
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 21:20
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Sym, I refuse to celebrate sin. Yes, I sin, yes, I make some brutally wicked mistakes, and yes I am so NOT perfect, but I will not rejoice in evil, or the right to evil. I can think something is wrong and still respect and love the person doing that wrong. Just because we have the right to do whatever we want, doesn't make what we do right.
I will not ever think less of someone for their beliefs. And if I did, I wouldn't pretend that I didn't. I will never hate someone for believing different from me. I 'get along' fine with those who believe different because I hold them in respect, with love and without compromising my own faith. And I'm as stubborn as hell.
Now...if you want to preach at someone, try the media.
(BTW, almost anything you see in the media about Christianity falsely represents what we really believe.)
P.S. Did that sound bitter? That wasn't meant to sound bitter, or judgemental, I apologize. My mother knows, I love TV...Mmmmm, Survivor, CSI... *drools*...
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babel
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 23:46
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I have a reply but I'm not going to post it, as it would only stoke the fires of debate and we all know what happens in the OTF forums when fires get stoked. Plus I don't want to argue with a friend. Suffice to say I have an opinion to the contrary and let's leave it at that.
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xemxija
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2004 23:49
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I would have to agree with polson...I'll accept that some people have beliefs which I personally consider to be close minded, bigotted or evil. I will never accept and rejoice in those beliefs however, I don't see why I should.
If I find something to be harming for mankind, I don't understand why I should accept it with a smile and go along with my own business to be honest. I don't however trash those beliefs and those people...well...I don't here at OTF at least.
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jadzia_jones1
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2004 00:28
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Does it mater what anyones religion is? Or what they believe in? I dont care if there Catholic (which I am) or worships Buddha a tree or an ant farm at the bottom of the garden. What ever works for them? I dont think its tolerance, its more respecting others beliefs, and not trying to push your own beliefs onto others.
* Jadzia *
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missmaul
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2004 00:42
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I suppose that's the tricky thing about believes, there's always some doubt. If not it would be 'knowing' and you never know for sure that your believe is right. Otherwise it would be called differently.
Yep, I do a bit of philosophy.
As for me I have no believe and believe that every believe there is might be the right one and that every believer should go on believing what they believe.
MM
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xemxija
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2004 00:43
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Jadz,
sure, most of the time that works. but if someone is a racist, does the same things apply? If I can't accept a misogynist, am I the one in error then? I'd like to think not, but I'm sure some would disagree (mainly the people who believe in inherent qualities that are gender or race* specific.)
* the word race was used not because I believe that the huma species has races, but in lack of a better word.
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jadzia_jones1
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2004 01:17
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Girl
No..but I thought this topic was on religion, tolerance and excepting others beliefs in 10f, not the ' outside ' world.
As for misogynist, its up to the person what there preference is surly? I don't like hairy men, but that's my preference, doesnt mean I dont like them as a person. If youre talking about women beaters, rapists or even Hitler type peeps then thats different.
* Jadzia *
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babel
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2004 01:37
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I suppose it's a case of where you draw the line, but saying that we've strayed away from the original topic which was a plea from Polson for greater tolerance in the chats. Now whatever our definition might be of the word, certainly mutual respect and common courtesy are things we should aim for
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michiel
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2004 02:08
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I tolerate you all, if ever so slightly, barring the exceptions.
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