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nina_janeway1
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2002 01:55
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<!--QuoteBegin--wedge+Dec. 03 2002,10:45--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (wedge @ Dec. 03 2002,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wasn't Ensign wildman the Science officer for Voyager?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>No I don't think so? We don't see her in many eps so she didn't get to have such an important position. Though she was helpful in the episode Once upon a time, when she was on that away team.
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babel
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2002 06:57
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See? No one knows! Why was the science officer post so unimportant? It makes no sense . . .
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cutemacgyver
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2002 00:06
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<!--QuoteBegin--nina_janeway1+Nov. 19 2002,04:30--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (nina_janeway1 @ Nov. 19 2002,04:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Heya, which do you think is the best Voyager ep? Personally I think it's <b>Endgame</b>... it's just so great, excellent acting and story, fantastic special fx and a bit of humour as well! I just love time travel, how Janeway makes her final appearance and the destruction of the Borg. When I saw the ep, I just gasped. Nothing ever beats Voyager, and Endgame!!<br><br>Janeway out!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I believe you Nina. You have talked so much about Endgame and how great is is. But do all the Borg really get destroyed?
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maxwell
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2002 23:13
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Best voyager episode?
Urg... I've probably only seen half of them. I think the best ones were when Jayneway was in between the bun and the bob. Although "Endgame" was action packed once again it dealt with time travel *barfy-warfy* As I've said in the past, time travel makes thing sooooo convenient. If we can travel in time, the future would already be determined... we could change every facet of what's to come by going back and changing something in the past. Ultimately it makes everyting pointless, including the plot of an episode. This is exactly what Janeway does in the last voyager episode... I was expecting something a little more creative but alas...
What ever happened to wormholes, alien technology, etc? And I'm still pissed off as to how Jayneway can get away with screwing with the time line and then be promoted in time for Nemesis. She should be put in jail, coffee mug and all.
Andrew
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teekay
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2002 00:25
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<!--QuoteBegin--maxwell+Dec. 16 2002,23:13--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (maxwell @ Dec. 16 2002,23:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I'm still pissed off as to how Jayneway can get away with screwing with the time line and then be promoted in time for Nemesis. She should be put in jail, coffee mug and all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Indeed. I was pretty disappointed with Janeway in that last episode, especially because the reasons for her travelling back in time are rather selfish. <br>She got her crew home at last, but a few of her friends didn't make it. So she travels back in time juuuust enough to save those friends. What about all the other crewpeople since the start of Voyager? Why didn't she go back in time enough to save them too? Or go back and warn herself not to fly into the badlands?<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I like Voyager, and when it's good it's very good. But I never liked "reset-button" episodes, and Voyager is rife with them. As such, the last episode is a typical Voyager episode... but I really wish they'd handled the series' end differently. <br>What would have been wrong about getting them back in the last third of the last season, and have a look at how their lives continue on Earth? All those ex-Marquees, the children born on board Voyager, the aliens that were picked up (Neelix and, even more fascinating, Seven of Nine), but all we get is a few tantalizing glimpses of the daughter of B'Elanna and Tom, who probably doesn't exist any more in the new timeline.<br>It's a missed chance to me.
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babel
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2002 02:54
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Andrew! I agree with everything you just said! It stretches belief too far that Janeway would be promoted . . .
Okay, she saved the lives of a handful of crew by changing time. But what were the potential hazzards? Well, she took future technology back in time, along with future knowledge. Everything very nearly went disastrously wrong and the Borg were a cat's whisker away from getting their hands on this knowledge and tech. The consequences of that would have been terrible.
What about the Temporal prime directives? Wouldn't the Temporal Inspectors, that visited Sisko, be interested in this? It's all very silly. These days Trek uses time travel very badly. Well, has for a long time. It resets things and makes a whole episode pointless. For example, that one where Voyager was found frozen in ice at the beginning. Eventually you think, oh well, they can just go back in time.
Why didn't Janeway go right back to when Voyager had first been stranded? She could have saved so many lives. Why was the time travel macguffin she used able to transport ships 60,000 light years as well? Don't remember hearing about it being for distance as well as time. Her shuttle would have time travelled, and been in the same spot as before but 20 years earlier, not in the Delta quadrant 20 years earlier.
End of rant. *l*
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rick_hunter1
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2002 16:20
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If time travel were possible at our current stage of technology (which it isnt. But there are several theories about it. Including using a wormhole to go back a few days..), you couldn't change the past....
Suppose that on 01/05/03 one decides to travel back to 01/03/03 morning and leave that evening.
To the person in the 01/05 reference frame he's just leaving. But in reality, he's already been there, and come back. YOu see, he's already done whatever he went back to do before he actually went back in time. THe reference fram of 01/03 experienced him and his actions prior to his departing from 01/05. When he goes back on 01/05, he is merely fufilling what he has already done.
I hope someone understands this. I'm not to good at explaining these types of things...
-Rick Hunter
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babel
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2002 02:43
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As a Time Lord I know the truth about Time Travel, but I'm afraid you humans simply aren't ready for that knowledge yet. 
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rick_hunter1
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2002 16:50
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Huh... Try to explain my explanation away. It's the right one!
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jor
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2002 16:58
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The number one argument against time travel is the lack of temporal tourists.
Unless of course all the homeless peeps, and everyone else who officially does not exist, are actually time travellers *L*
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babel
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2002 01:21
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Well, one theory of Time is that it is merely our perception of it that is linear, and anything affecting Time would actually change every single moment of Time simultaneously. Therefore at the moment where someone invents Time travel and uses their device, we will never remember a time when there weren't temporal tourists.
On the other hand, maybe a race like the Time Lords are already amongst us and we simply don't know. Remember the Gallifreyans (I'm using this as an example) have had Time travel for ten million years. They are sophisticated, their TARDIS machines disguise themselves to blend in with their surroundings . . . any similarly technologically advanced race would develop similar techniques.
Your neighbour could be a Time Lord, and his garden shed could be his TARDIS!
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nina_janeway1
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2002 04:26
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<!--QuoteBegin--cutemacgyver+Dec. 14 2002,00:06--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (cutemacgyver @ Dec. 14 2002,00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe you Nina. You have talked so much about Endgame and how great is is. But do all the Borg really get destroyed?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font color=#ffc0ff>That's a spoiler I'm not going to tell ya! You'll have to wait until you see it, ok? <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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nina_janeway1
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2002 04:42
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<!--QuoteBegin--maxwell+Dec. 16 2002,23:13--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (maxwell @ Dec. 16 2002,23:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Best voyager episode?<br><br>Urg... I've probably only seen half of them. I think the best ones were when Jayneway was in between the bun and the bob. Although "Endgame" was action packed once again it dealt with time travel *barfy-warfy* As I've said in the past, time travel makes thing sooooo convenient. If we can travel in time, the future would already be determined... we could change every facet of what's to come by going back and changing something in the past. Ultimately it makes everyting pointless, including the plot of an episode. This is exactly what Janeway does in the last voyager episode... I was expecting something a little more creative but alas...<br><br>What ever happened to wormholes, alien technology, etc? And I'm still pissed off as to how Jayneway can get away with screwing with the time line and then be promoted in time for Nemesis. She should be put in jail, coffee mug and all.<br><br>Andrew<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font color=#ff1493>Bun and bob? Yeah timetravel can be considered convenient but that's the fun about it, I mean, I love time travel because almost all my favourite Star Trek eps are about time travel, it makes everything so funny! I'm thinking about Future's End for example, when Janeway & co travelled back in time to year 1996. I can agree that it can seem "unnecessary" to include time travel in an episode, but if Endgame wouldn't have been about time travel, the writers wouldn't have found another way to successfully bring Voyager home. I mean they still had about 25 000 lightyears to get home? and with all times they found aliens with good technology, the technology were either incompatible or not sufficient enough to bring the Voyager crew all the way home right away. They had to include the Borg, as I think Voyager is the last installment in the 24th century (now with Enterprise running, but who knows, we might get another 24th century Star Trek series in the future) and the Borg are very much appreciated among the viewers. They are also the most powerful and resourceful race, astonishing technology which they do have put together from assimilating various races. The origin of the Borg is another exciting story, which I actually think should be included sometime in Enterprise! wow, now I got some ideas... *s* <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><br><br>Janeway rocks!!
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nina_janeway1
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2002 04:54
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<!--QuoteBegin--teekay+Dec. 17 2002,00:25--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (teekay @ Dec. 17 2002,00:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Indeed. I was pretty disappointed with Janeway in that last episode, especially because the reasons for her travelling back in time are rather selfish. <br>She got her crew home at last, but a few of her friends didn't make it. So she travels back in time juuuust enough to save those friends. What about all the other crewpeople since the start of Voyager? Why didn't she go back in time enough to save them too? Or go back and warn herself not to fly into the badlands?<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I like Voyager, and when it's good it's very good. But I never liked "reset-button" episodes, and Voyager is rife with them. As such, the last episode is a typical Voyager episode... but I really wish they'd handled the series' end differently. <br>What would have been wrong about getting them back in the last third of the last season, and have a look at how their lives continue on Earth? All those ex-Marquees, the children born on board Voyager, the aliens that were picked up (Neelix and, even more fascinating, Seven of Nine), but all we get is a few tantalizing glimpses of the daughter of B'Elanna and Tom, who probably doesn't exist any more in the new timeline.<br>It's a missed chance to me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font color=#ff1493>Because then Endgame would have resetted the whole show, being a "reset button"! <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--> And then I don't think the ep would have been as good then.<br><br>When I was finished watching Endgame, I was completely astonished and satisfied with how the series ended, except for one tiny, or maybe not so tiny, thing. I really agree with you that we should have been able to see what happened when Voyager got home, about the Maquis, Naomi, Seven etc. They should have really made a few episodes about that, but I think the reason they didn't do that is because they felt it unnecessary. This thing is the only thing which disappoints me, Endgame was over too fast! And btw, wasn't Miral born in the original present timeline? Ya know when they had just come out of the transwarp aperture, and the Doctor asked Tom to get down to sickbay "I believe there's someone who wants to say hello" <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><br><br>Apart from this, I will always love Voyager and remember the great moments from throughout the series. In fact, Voyager changed my life - in many ways. If it wasn't for Voyager, I would never had come to Outpost <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/haw.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
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nina_janeway1
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2002 05:01
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<!--QuoteBegin--babel+Dec. 18 2002,02:43--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (babel @ Dec. 18 2002,02:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->As a Time Lord I know the truth about Time Travel, but I'm afraid you humans simply aren't ready for that knowledge yet. <!--emo&:k--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':k'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font face=Tahoma color=#ff1493>Hell no, we're inferior aren't we. <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--><br><br>However I guess it would be interesting to watch an episode of The Who, to see what's so good about the Doctor and stuff <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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cutemacgyver
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# Posted: 24 Dec 2002 11:15
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<!--QuoteBegin--nina_janeway1+Dec. 19 2002,04:26--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (nina_janeway1 @ Dec. 19 2002,04:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--cutemacgyver+Dec. 14 2002,00:06--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (cutemacgyver @ Dec. 14 2002,00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe you Nina. You have talked so much about Endgame and how great is is. But do all the Borg really get destroyed?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font color=#ffc0ff>That's a spoiler I'm not going to tell ya! You'll have to wait until you see it, ok? <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font color=#ffc0ff> Its okay Nina <!--emo&:}--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blu.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':}'><!--endemo--> I can wait until Endgame comes on Svt <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--><br><br>Merry Christmas and a happy new year my friend <!--emo&:}--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blu.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':}'><!--endemo-->
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rick_hunter1
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# Posted: 24 Dec 2002 16:01
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I'm NOT inferior! I can take it! C'mon Babel! TEll me how it all works! I dare you to try.
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rag451
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# Posted: 26 Dec 2002 21:16
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I am disappointed in all of you. Not only have you slandered a great Captain, but you have insulted a dear friend.
When I think about this Captain, I think about the times that she has been kind enough to send me a warm reassurance on ICQ, or the times when she has answered my really stupid questions.
How dare you insult Captain Jayneway. I'm so ashamed... *shakes head*
[Note: I know that you guys were making typos, but remember that the red-haired poster-girl for Buns Anonymous (remember seasons one through four?! is the one we dislike, not the former head of Logistics.]
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CL4 Robert Griffith
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simshady
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# Posted: 28 Dec 2002 22:42
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there's so much to choose from... but as of now... (since it's the series is being aired here daily and we're currently at the 4th season)... i like day of honor... with torres admitting feelings for paris and of course, seven looks so WOW!!! pardon the lack of an apt description! 
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JediSkywalker
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2003 20:32
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I have three favorite epis. Tuvix  Blood Fever 
And Infinite Regress 
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nina_janeway1
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2003 04:35
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<!--QuoteBegin--rag451+Dec. 26 2002,21:16--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (rag451 @ Dec. 26 2002,21:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am disappointed in all of you. Not only have you slandered a great Captain, but you have insulted a dear friend.<br><br>When I think about this Captain, I think about the times that she has been kind enough to send me a warm reassurance on ICQ, or the times when she has answered my really stupid questions.<br><br>How <b>dare</b> you insult Captain Jayneway. I'm so ashamed... *shakes head*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font face=Tahoma color=#ff1493>Excuse me, but what are you talking about? As far as I can see, no one has insulted anyone? *confused*
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