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bam_bam
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# Posted: 13 Jun 2005 11:05
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ok your organics keep going becuase your colonist keep eating. so keep it set at 13 and you should have no problem
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lone_bard
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# Posted: 13 Jun 2005 21:18
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How is setting it to 13 going to make a difference when 15 didnt? 13 a magic number?
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bam_bam
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# Posted: 13 Jun 2005 21:37
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kinda. if you have it at 15 percent that is taking 2 percent away from making credits. and if you have it at 12 percent it is just passing. 13 is good if a space plague *Spelling* comes
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lone_bard
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2005 08:06
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Now I'm having a real problem. Whenever I go to log in it says "Good morning Captain blah blah" but then the next screen loads up and it only displays a grey line with the BN logo in the right corner and the BN date/time. It stops there.
I've tried logging in several times and it keeps doing it.
Edit: I've found the information thanks to my browser
"Line:10
Char:14
Code:0
Error:'document.login.email' is null or not an object
URL:http://blacknova.outpost10f.com/index.php"
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thrash
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2005 11:34
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i have just got an email saying that i have not logged on to this/ used my account for months???? i was playing bnt just a few weeks ago??? whas happening?
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bam_bam
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2005 20:01
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I believe loging into BNT and loging into OTF is different. logging into OTF is like going into their chatrooms and logging into the forums. What they are trying to do is to get you to broaden your horizens if you have not already and join into other things.
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strongmad
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# Posted: 29 Aug 2005 06:42
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i was recently banned for using two characters nd i would understand y you would think that, the only reaon that Cloud_Strife is using my computor is because he doesn't have internet access for another week. After this week he will go back to using his computor and I will stay on mine. so i respectfully request that my account be unbanned. I'll stop letting my cousin use my computor if thats what you want, he can find another computor. so please unban my account.
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emdog2564
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2005 13:21
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how do i get a better CL level. 
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plugboy
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2005 18:46
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<!--QuoteBegin--emdog2564+Sep. 02 2005,13:21--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (emdog2564 @ Sep. 02 2005,13:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->how do i get a better CL level. <!--emo&:v--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bro.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':v'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>CL is based on chatting. For CL2 - CL3 you need to have 8 hours and 8 chat entrances in a month (between 27th and 23rd of the next month)
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thrash
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2005 17:10
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help i cant get to the log in screen and i dont kow why. can any one help. i dont think its to do with bnt but still if you can help it would be great
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asmodeas
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2005 21:35
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Any chance a "delete all trade routes" option could be introduced. At the moment its pretty annoying having to delete each trade route indvidually, especially if your empire is bigger than 100 planets and you constantly need to update defences on the planets. Sorry if this is the wrong area to ask
-Cockroach
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bam_bam
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2005 21:46
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No this is the right area to ask. you can always try instead of deleting your trade routes. Just to edit them, that way it takes less time for the trade routes page to open. and you will have less trade routes.
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asmodeas
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2005 22:01
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Ah editing is even slower, but yeah was only a suggesttion for later rounds maybe.
I have a fast way of creating trade route from special ports to planets. Takes me maybe 10 - 20 seconds to create 5 trade routes from a special port to 5 planets.
Example:
Special port 500
5 planets in sector 1500
Set up 1st trade route tfrom 500 to planet 1500-5, create
Press back
Change 1500-5 to 1500-4, create
Press back
etc etc. to 1500-1
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crazedbama
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2005 10:49
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I think there should be an award for best rating. After all, the rating is a more accurate judge of the players achievements. It shows who can get the most points using the fewest turns. We have awards for good/bad rating but not for the overall rating? I think we might be overlooking that one there. Can I make a formal request that Best Rating be added to the awards that are given out?
Thanks.
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bam_bam
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2005 19:10
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The ratting is not the best way to tell. becuase A player can do the same amount of work, as some else, or more work than someone who just gets credits and does not use a lot of turns. But one player uses the IGB which in terms lowers your Eff. ratting, then to someone who just banks there credits on a planet which increases the Eff. ratting. And you get the annoying guy that gets money transfered to him threw IGB or abbandoning a planet, or just checking in by finding an unowned planet at the right time. So in other words i dont think it is such a good idea to go by the ratting. 
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asmodeas
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2005 23:59
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Yeah i would have to agree with bam bam. Rating is a poor way of telling anything. This game is about having fun playing it. If rating was important it would pretty much mean the less you played the better you would be. And what kind of game would that be then, completely rubbish. You should be trying to use all your turns to increase your wealth and empire, not just sitting on your bank letting turns go to waste being a boring boring boring player.
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chillin
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2005 08:44
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HEY ADMIN!
so i was curious as to see what my score would be without my bank planet cause im trying to learn this game as best as possible. i abandoned my planet, and when i went to take it back it said the admin owned it!!!! WTF? HELP!!!
theres no way i can attack it, the defenses are too high, on purpose! lol! thanks. i sent you a message in game to the admin account of the planets location.
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asmodeas
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2005 11:20
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Just a couple of questions about what is considered cheating or not, hopefully the admins can provide me with some answers, and for anyone else you might find some usefull tips:
1: To circumvent the sofa code
This can be achieved through a few methods, the easiest is to put all your money on an empty planet and then abandon it. Log in, log out and your score should have dropped, letting you effectively cirumvent the sofa code protection for smalller players, allowing you to sofa a player who has a score much lower than your actual score
Is this cheating? and if so what action do the admins take if a person is caught doing this?
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2: To boost good/evil rating
Find someone who your are friendly with in the game, can even be in your alliance, make sure one of you has an evil rating and the other a good rating, build several empty planets, let you rfriend attack and take these planets, then you attack and take em back, and then your friend attacks and take em, and you do this all day, one of you wiull get a huge evil rating and the other will get a huge good rating.
Is this cheating? and if so what action do the admins take if a person is caught doing this?
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3: Increasing a friends score
A: You are bored of the game, so you decide to quit, so you abandon all your stuff and let a friend take it all, including money on a planet, you then take all fighters and torps off your ship, use all your ewds and then get your friend to kill your ship so he gets the value of your ship
B: You are bored of the game, so you decide to quit, but before doing option "3A" you get out the biggest loan you can take out, and then progress on the same as option "3A". This would give your friend an even bigger score increase.
C: You have no interest in the game, but a friend convinces you to play, just to help them out and after a few days of play you go with option 3A or 3B.
D: You are very very rich and decide you would like your friend closer to you in the rankings, so you give him/her a quarter of your cash, or even half your cash, boosting his/her score and moving his/her place up in the rankings.
Obviously option 3A 3B and 3C are virtually the same and difficult to distugish between, are these cheating, if so what happens when people who are caught on the recieving end and on the giving end?
Is option 3D cheating? If so what actions are taken against the giver and reciever?
(Oh and for people who dont realise all of these options are still possible whether or not, abandon planets is disabled or that super clever rule of abandoned planets going to an admin account is enabled.)
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4: The four window sofa
To speed up sofaing an enemy planet(or a friends planet for you backstabbing cowards), you set up 4 windows, set up in the order you would do things if you were sofaing a planet. So
window1 has the link:
Do you really want to sofa this planet?
window2 has the link:
to a special port
window3 has the link:
to the purchase option in the special port
window4 has the link:
back to the sector your sofaing a planet
To use this, you hit the first window, then hit back in that window, progress to window2 click the applicable link, then hit back in it, hit the link in window 3 and hit back, hit the link in window 4 and then hit back, and then start from window1 again.
Since you dont need to wait for the server to repond or pages to reload you can do 6 to 10 sofas a minute.
Is this cheating and if so what actions are taken against an offending player?
(Oh and for people who dont know you can do a 3 window sofa and a 2 window sofa if your smart, getting more sofas done per minute than the 4 window sofa.)
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5: Getting a bigger loan out than you normally could
Get all a friends cash, boosting your net worth and then take out a loan, then give back all the credits you borrowed from your friend back to your friend.
Is this cheating if your score decreases down to zero?
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Oh and just wanna say thanks you all the admins for the time they spend keeping things running in this game and answering questions. Thank you
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crazedbama
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2005 14:41
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lol, so i tell everyone how sato abused the loan system and then you tell everyone every trick you know. well you forgot something. i shot jfk. and if you press the self destruct button your score doubles.
good job revealing the tricks most people had to learn through experience and creativity. thanks for that, the rest of us really appreciate it.
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asmodeas
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2005 15:23
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Haha its my pleasure to do so kingpin, am happy your happy, and your thanks is welcome.
As far as that being every trick in the book, well its not, but they are the only tricks that i am somewhat unsure about if they are cheating or not, hence am asking the admins to clarify these issues.
(Lol i would have posted a link to a combat calculator also but they might be kind of out of date if the attacking system has been changed so its like the sofa system. )
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vorian
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2005 16:17
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King in all fairness, are you really that naïve to think that everyone else in here doesn’t know these simple things? Personally I think you’re feeling a little guilty about the transfer you received in the last round and don’t want it brought up again.
And just in case you missed it, this topics name is called “BNT HelpDesk” not “BNT lets talk crap”. If you can’t post something helpful on whatever you’re replying to please don’t go posting stuff like that. Do you realise how much of a pain in the … it is to see that kind of rubbish in a help topic?
Anyway on that note, Asmodeas has a very good point, the above list is all under the heading of snowballing, and as we all know snowballing is a very broad area. Admin’s should be posting either well thought out examples of it or specific things they will not tolerate. Yes the rules state no snowballing of any kind, which we now know also includes, transfer of money from player A to player B, player B taking out a loan and handing original money back to player A, curtsey of Sato. Ask yourself if you have done it before or thought of doing it? No answer needed.
Anyway, admin’s I think it would benefit you as well as everyone else if you put a sticky up defining the “No form of snowballing is permitted” rule. Either list off various examples or put in definitively what you will consider snowballing.
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plugboy
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2005 18:39
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<!--QuoteBegin--asmodeas+Oct. 11 2005,11:20--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (asmodeas @ Oct. 11 2005,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just a couple of questions about what is considered cheating or not, hopefully the admins can provide me with some answers, and for anyone else you might find some usefull tips:<br><br><br>1: To circumvent the sofa code<br>This can be achieved through a few methods, the easiest is to put all your money on an empty planet and then abandon it. Log in, log out and your score should have dropped, letting you effectively cirumvent the sofa code protection for smalller players, allowing you to sofa a player who has a score much lower than your actual score<br><br>Is this cheating? and if so what action do the admins take if a person is caught doing this?<br>--------------------------------------------------------<br><br>2: To boost good/evil rating<br>Find someone who your are friendly with in the game, can even be in your alliance, make sure one of you has an evil rating and the other a good rating, build several empty planets, let you rfriend attack and take these planets, then you attack and take em back, and then your friend attacks and take em, and you do this all day, one of you wiull get a huge evil rating and the other will get a huge good rating.<br><br>Is this cheating? and if so what action do the admins take if a person is caught doing this?<br>------------------------------------------------------<br><br>3: Increasing a friends score<br><br>A: You are bored of the game, so you decide to quit, so you abandon all your stuff and let a friend take it all, including money on a planet, you then take all fighters and torps off your ship, use all your ewds and then get your friend to kill your ship so he gets the value of your ship<br><br>B: You are bored of the game, so you decide to quit, but before doing option "3A" you get out the biggest loan you can take out, and then progress on the same as option "3A". This would give your friend an even bigger score increase.<br><br>C: You have no interest in the game, but a friend convinces you to play, just to help them out and after a few days of play you go with option 3A or 3B.<br><br>D: You are very very rich and decide you would like your friend closer to you in the rankings, so you give him/her a quarter of your cash, or even half your cash, boosting his/her score and moving his/her place up in the rankings.<br><br>Obviously option 3A 3B and 3C are virtually the same and difficult to distugish between, are these cheating, if so what happens when people who are caught on the recieving end and on the giving end?<br><br>Is option 3D cheating? If so what actions are taken against the giver and reciever?<br><br>(Oh and for people who dont realise all of these options are still possible whether or not, abandon planets is disabled or that super clever rule of abandoned planets going to an admin account is enabled.)<br>---------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>4: The four window sofa<br>To speed up sofaing an enemy planet(or a friends planet for you backstabbing cowards), you set up 4 windows, set up in the order you would do things if you were sofaing a planet. So <br>window1 has the link:<br>Do you really want to sofa this planet?<br>window2 has the link:<br>to a special port<br>window3 has the link:<br>to the purchase option in the special port<br>window4 has the link:<br>back to the sector your sofaing a planet<br><br>To use this, you hit the first window, then hit back in that window, progress to window2 click the applicable link, then hit back in it, hit the link in window 3 and hit back, hit the link in window 4 and then hit back, and then start from window1 again.<br><br>Since you dont need to wait for the server to repond or pages to reload you can do 6 to 10 sofas a minute.<br><br>Is this cheating and if so what actions are taken against an offending player?<br><br>(Oh and for people who dont know you can do a 3 window sofa and a 2 window sofa if your smart, getting more sofas done per minute than the 4 window sofa.)<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>5: Getting a bigger loan out than you normally could<br><br>Get all a friends cash, boosting your net worth and then take out a loan, then give back all the credits you borrowed from your friend back to your friend.<br><br>Is this cheating if your score decreases down to zero?<br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------<br>Oh and just wanna say thanks you all the admins for the time they spend keeping things running in this game and answering questions. Thank you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>While I'm no longer an admin I may be able to help with some of these.<br><br>1) With putting in the planet being transferred to the Indie player when abandoning, you can do it. It's generally frowned apon attacking people much lower then you but is not a banable offence.<br><br>2) It's not cheating, but again is generally frowned on. As it is just a normal attack, there's no action that can be taken.<br><br>3) A) Would be prefferred if you simply SD'd instead of giving away everything, but nothing can happen.<br> B) Taking out loans simply to give to other plays IS a banable offence. The logs are kept even if you SD or die and we will ban any players doing so.<br> C) *shrugs* Read A and B<br> D) Use some common sence. If the player hasn't been around much and suddenly his score jumps it could be viewed as snowballing and admins get emails from grumpy players to ban them, so they ban them then they get grumpy emails from him and the people involved with boosting his score. It's a loose/loose situation. Again, use your judgement, don't bounce players from 60th to 7th.<br><br>4) We looked into using AAT's method of making you wait 15 seconds to refresh the window, but couldn't get it working with BNT at the time. There's nothing currently done, but we do get plenty of grumpy emails from people who's planet just got taken in next to no time with lots of defences on it. We'd appreciate it not used, but there's nothing we can currently do to stop it. If it truely becomes a problem we'll find a way to stop it.<br><br>5) Banable offence. We are currently fixing the bug involving loans not subtracting from your score. You will notice a sudden major drop in scores if you use it, don't email us about it.
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crazedbama
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2005 19:37
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<!--QuoteBegin--vorian+Oct. 11 2005,16:17--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (vorian @ Oct. 11 2005,16:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->King in all fairness, are you really that naïve to think that everyone else in here doesn’t know these simple things? Personally I think you’re feeling a little guilty about the transfer you received in the last round and don’t want it brought up again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>vorian, come on, when you got cheated i reimbursed you with no problem. i knew that you got ripped off of what you deserve, and i almost got ripped off as well. cocky can talk all the mess he wants to me, i dont care, i took him out and thats expected. but you know i am a fair player and i wont try to cheat anybody out of what they earned. and although i feel bad about whitty quitting. i dont, in any way, feel guilty or wrong about taking his stuff...<br>1-he told me he was quitting. had he self destructed, all his planets would have gone unowned. and i knew his bank sector as well as many of his other sectors so i could have gotten them that way.<br>2-when i took out cocky i calculated that i only needed to spend about 40% of my credits to upgrade my comps and take cockys bank. therefore whittys help, although helpful, was not necessary for me to win the round.<br><br>come on vorian, you can stick up for your freinds, but no need to disrespect. my post was in jest, and you know that, lets not be aggessive here. and although most would not admit it, i bet 90% of the players that read this (obviously not the best of them) would have learned many things by that post.<br><br>in every system, no matter how secure, people will devise ways of getting an edge, or create shortcuts. this is unavoidable. they disabled abandon planets, and already a lot of people are upset. <br>its the age old conundrum of security vs functionality. for every security measure you implement, you may well be cutting off valid ways of use. all network admins know this and so do game admins as well. to lock down every possible option of exploitation in full would strip this game down to almost nothing. there has to be a balance, and that is the hardest job of being an admin. providing a fun experience, yet ensuring that experience is honest, and never corrupted.
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vorian
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2005 11:41
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Hey king, firstly no disrespect was intended, sorry that you took it that way. As for your post being in jest, I admit that to me it didnt come across that way, my mistake. As for your attack on cockroach, thats been you and him.
Btw I appricate what you and whitty did for me when I was cheated, it wont be forgotten.
Anyway as i stated before, this isnt the topic to be talking about such matters as it provides no beneficial help to anyone else. So i'll leave it that...anything else can be said on msn.
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demonslayer
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2005 19:37
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HELP!!!!!!!
for last 8hrs i'm stuck in limbo
i keep getting "You are not in the same sector as this planet, so you can't interact with it." but i haven't left the planet surface yet.
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plugboy
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2005 22:28
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Your off the surface, let me know if yo still have problems
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honorme
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2005 15:11
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omg ... After thinking up all those ways to cheat, do you still have time for a life???
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egmond1981
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2005 06:20
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Today I attacked a bank...
At least I tryed to.
I cleared all energy...wich used to be gone in one SOFA.
And after that I SOFA the planet.
With my lvl 30 computer I did no damage to the fighters, but he had only lvl 28 torps.
Last round a base gave 1 level upgrade, but now it is more.
My score was lower than his, I know the game, so I don't think there is something I missed...
And I am very sure it wasn't this way last round.
WHY HAVEN'T WE BEEN INFORMED OF CHANGES.....
and if it is not supposed to be changed, why is it?
With this problem going on it is becomming impossible for the weaker players to get up the rankings and it becomes to easy for the high players to stay there.
If it stays this way many people may start to leave, including me...
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plugboy
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2005 07:04
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Bases still add only 1 level upgrade, it has not changed any.
Energy is depleted based on what energy the planet uses for beams and shields to attack and defend againest your fighters.
Nothing has changed. There is still always the possibility that you may not take a planet. It happens to the best of us.
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vorian
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2005 10:17
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hey rem,
is it possible your sensors are too low that your getting a misreading on the torp lvl? Only thing i can think of that might explain it.
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