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stoth
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2005 16:57
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Ketchup, also known as tomato Sauce.
Now this might seem a fairly weird thing to hate... Its not sentient, its edible, and it can be quite tastey.
But what I hate about it is that some people use it very indiscriminatly. Chips and ketchup, sure! that makse sence. Meat pie and sauce is an aussie classic.
But, if i have worked hard on a steak, or chicken, or anything really thats not your very basic type food (such as chips, possibly a sausage, not much else) WHY would you ask for Ketchup before even trying it!
Being a chef i'm forced to say "IF IT NEEDED KETUCHUP I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU BLOODY KETCHUP!!!!"
*coughs* So yeah, ketchup for the most part is EVIL and the bane of all chefs and good food around the world.!
Your friend, Sean
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polson
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2005 17:02
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If I'm going to eat it, it's going to have Ranch or Ketchup on it. I apologize to chefs world wide.
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demonvamp
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2005 10:23
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Because it's one of the few sauces I can eat and most food is pretty dry alone 
QD, allergic to air...
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marnal
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2005 14:31
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I hate it when you spend ages preparing a meal, seasoning it carefully and someone pours salt on it before even tasting it. Barbarians.
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polson
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2005 20:09
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My dad does that. For years mom has said, "Don't put salt on that, it's already too satly" and dad just grins and dumps a wack of salt on it. It never fails.
Oh and when my dad makes great steak with fantastic seasonings and so on and so forth, I put ranch on it. 
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crazytexan
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 09:05
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Ruining a perfectly prepared steak with Ranch dressing. Such a loss... as is smothering any perfectly prepared food with condiments.
You're beyond weird Polson, but we already knew that.
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christena
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 09:20
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I used to love this commercial when I was little.. I can still remember the words to it today...take a look!
"Don't drown your food"
http://www.retrojunk.com/details_commercial/149/
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dashiva
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 09:24
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On the one hand I agree that people who drown everything they eat in the same sauce every time without trying it are missing the point and should put their ketchup bottles away.
On the other hand though, what is with chefs getting all fired up when people put salt or sauce or whatever on their dishes? It's the customer's meal, not yours. They paid for it, they can dice it up and use it as engine fuel if they like, leave 'em alone 
Every time I hear a story about someone getting thrown out of a 'posh' resturant for asking for extra salt or sauce I think the chef needs a slapping. Not to mention even the best chefs can get it wrong once in a while.
P.S *nods at CT* Don't mess with steak. That's just wrong.
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teekay
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 09:37
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What bothers me is when I see parents (mums, mostly) with small children pouring ketchup on their kids' meal. Once the children are trained that regardless of the food in question, ketchup is a main ingredient, they will probably not care for much else later on, or develop a good sense of taste.
On the other hand, our tastes do vary (I used to hate spinach, and salad), so I guess there's hope.
And finally, to each their own - but if I cook you anything, better leave the ketchup in the fridge. 
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polson
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 09:38
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I didn't say I don't try my dad's steak before dousing it in ranch. I always have one piece without. And then I say, "Hmmm...it needs ranch."
I won't eat potatos without ranch. I won't eat fries without ketchup. If there wasn't ranch or ketchup, I would starve to death of all the things I wouldn't eat.
Then again, that might be a good diet...at least up until the part where I die.
I travel with Ranch. When I go places I take a bottle of ranch with me just in case. My mom bought one of those bulk jugs of ranch and when she gave it to me I looked at her with accusing eyes and said, "You just think you're so funny don't you." She did.
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marnal
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 14:07
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What is ranch sauce? Is it what we Brits call barbecue sauce?
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polson
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 20:07
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It's salad dressing. *l*
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dierna
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 20:14
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As Homer Simpson once said "Everything tastes better with Ketchup!!"  Course he then proceeded to eat underwear with ketchup on it
Anyways...my mom is always yelling at me for putting ketchup on my food. "Try it without the ketchup first!".... I do.... Nomatter what rice tastes nummy with ketchup. 
But my mom condradicts herself for it was she who introduced me to a Bloody Sandwich. It's really nummy... A sandwich with ketchup, cheese, and meat (balogna generally). Altho I also have Mayo on it as well.
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deanna
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2005 20:30
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You know what disturbs me??
Craig AND TK AND CT........all managed to post on a thread before I did.
That disturbs me.
Otherwise, let them eat ketchup, mayo, mustard, salt, pepper, tobasco sauce, A1, and yes even Ranch. Just don't make me eat it *L*
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stoth
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 03:32
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Firstly Marmal, Bravo! you get a gold star!
Now Dashiva! shame! shame! shame!!!!!  Yes, its the customers food, but its the Chef/Cooks DISH! Theres a difference. Normally before you get the food is a long process normally going something like this.
Boss: "You know, i'd like *insert relevant dish* on the menu
Chef: ok boss, *chef goes away, makes recipe, food costing per portion etc*
Boss: i like it BUT *orders relevant changes*
And it goes back and forth until its perfect (well, never perfect, until its the way the boss wants).
Talking from experience, this can take sometimes a few hours, all the way to a few months.
So to say that the chef has a vested interest can be an understatement.
Also, the quality of the dish is one of the main things a person looks for in a restaurant. So a good product, means more return customers, and more word of mouth advertisment etc.
So if I havent said it enough - Shame!
Also this habbit of 'compulsive seasoning' hasnt just been noticed by the wonderful people here. Fast food chains world wide have saved bucket loads by not seasoning their food much (if indeed at all).
Think that it doesnt equate to much of a saving? think about it. A bag of salt costs (my restaurant, and in Australian Dollars) roughly $20 for a 10kilogram bag. Now if you saved one of them every month, thats obviously $240 saving, PER store! thats alot of saving.
And uh.. yeah, Say No to Ketchup - join the campaign, we now have taglines!
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deanna
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 03:40
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<!--QuoteBegin--stoth+Dec. 23 2005,03:32--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (stoth @ Dec. 23 2005,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->So a good product, means more return customers, and more word of mouth advertisment etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>As per your quote Sean, I'd venture a guess that happy customers will be repeat customers will generate word of mouth comments of greatness, thus bringing in more customers. <br><br>So it stands to reason that ..... giving the customer what they want will have the exact same effect. Let them have their silly ketchup <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--> *L*
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hongjun
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 06:19
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Hmm,
A couple of things -
1) The ketchup had better be Heinz, (which by the way I have to either hope is on sale in Xian over 300km away or get extra ketchup from the local KFC to take home with me) yes ketchup for me is a luxury as it is not found everywhere! However I would not put on my steak, I like a rich pepper sauce or white wine sauce on my steak. Then I can dip my frys in the pepper sauce! Hmmm when I get to Thailand!
2) Hmm ketchup on rice, what can I say come to China and try that and *cough* see everyones jaw drop! A couple of years ago I was leading a team from the States. They asked for soy sauce for their rice. I was embrassed, the chinese with me were embrassed and the staff couldn't get over it! Rice at a chinese meal unless fried is eaten plain nothing added, ever! Though you can put bits of your dishes on top of the rice to eat it that way!!
3) Sean I feel your pain, if only because of the rice!
Hong
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polson
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 08:24
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Philistines.
For the record, when I go to a restraunt, I order items that a) don't need ranch or come with it on the side b) don't need ketchup or come with it on the side.
Granted, my list of things that don't need ranch or ketchup is relatively small. And for any of you who happen to be chefs, STOP LOADING THE CAESER SALAD UP WITH SALT!
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teekay
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 11:14
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I'm sorry, I just had to...
(sanitized to save the unwary; the others know what the original sounds like anyway)
Vincent: But, you know what they put on french fries in Holland instead of ketchup?
Jules: What?
Vincent: Mayonnaise.
Jules: Hot damn!
Vincent: I seen 'em do it, man, they *eep*in' drown 'em in that *eep*.
Jules: That's some *eep*ed up *eep*.
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marnal
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 11:23
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<!--QuoteBegin--teekay+Dec. 23 2005,11:14--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (teekay @ Dec. 23 2005,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sorry, I just <i>had</i> to... <!--emo&:k--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':k'><!--endemo--> <br>(sanitized to save the unwary; the others know what the original sounds like anyway)<br><br><b>Vincent:</b> But, you know what they put on french fries in Holland instead of ketchup?<br><b>Jules:</b> What?<br><b>Vincent:</b> Mayonnaise.<br><b>Jules:</b> Hot damn!<br><b>Vincent:</b> I seen 'em do it, man, they *eep*in' drown 'em in that *eep*.<br><b>Jules:</b> That's some *eep*ed up *eep*. <br><br> <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/haw.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Hear, hear. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><br><br><br>'That is a tasty burger!'<br><br><br>Must've had some Colman's English mustard on, eh? <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
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deanna
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 11:28
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Pardon me?
Do you have an Grey Poupon??
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teekay
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 11:48
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<!--QuoteBegin--deanna+Dec. 23 2005,11:28--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (deanna @ Dec. 23 2005,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pardon me? <br><br>Do you have an Grey Poupon??<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>easy on the Mai Tai's, dear! <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
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demonvamp
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 12:05
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The best thing ever to do with ketchup (before the wheat and dairy allergies kicked in) is this:
Toast some bread, slap loads of tomato ketchup on one side, top that side with white cheshire cheese and grill till bubbly and golden. Eat
QD, ordering everyone to try it;)
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deanna
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 16:17
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<!--QuoteBegin--teekay+Dec. 23 2005,11:48--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (teekay @ Dec. 23 2005,11:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--deanna+Dec. 23 2005,11:28--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (deanna @ Dec. 23 2005,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pardon me? <br><br>Do you have an Grey Poupon??<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>easy on the Mai Tai's, dear! <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Can I have some ketchup with my Mai Tai?? *eg*
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dierna
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# Posted: 23 Dec 2005 17:13
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<!--QuoteBegin--polson+Dec. 23 2005,08:24--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (polson @ Dec. 23 2005,08:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->STOP LOADING THE CAESER SALAD UP WITH SALT!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Caesar Salad Dressing is salty because it has anchovies in it.... <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--><br><br>Now how many of ya'll are gonna stop putting Caesar Dressing on your salad cuz of that little tidbit? <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo-->
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teekay
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# Posted: 24 Dec 2005 01:08
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<!--QuoteBegin--deanna+Dec. 23 2005,16:17--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (deanna @ Dec. 23 2005,16:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><br>Can I have some ketchup with my Mai Tai?? *eg*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>That would make it a Bloody Mai Tai, no? <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><br><br>And hey, what's so bad about anchovies?
<br><br><!--EDIT|teekay|Dec. 24 2005,01:09-->
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nicoll
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# Posted: 24 Dec 2005 06:56
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<!--QuoteBegin--stoth+Dec. 23 2005,03:32--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (stoth @ Dec. 23 2005,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, the quality of the dish is one of the main things a person looks for in a restaurant. So a good product, means more return customers, and more word of mouth advertisment etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Maybe you should send it back and fourth a few more times until the dish is good enough that people don't feel the need to add anything.<br><br>Just from my experience, when you go to a restraunt that serves good food you just tuck straight in and be merry. When you go to a restraunt that iss less good you do whatever it takes to make the food palatable.<br><br>I don't mean to insult your cooking Sean because, I've never been with a few thousand miles of it. Maybe the problem here is something that I don't see very often in the circles I run in here in Scotland.<br><br>As for the rest of you, <b>put the ranch dressing down</b>, you are making the rest of us ill <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
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polgara
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# Posted: 24 Dec 2005 09:31
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I hate it spilled on my white jacket  like now
oh wait i feel a consipracy
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bria
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# Posted: 28 Dec 2005 13:54
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I have to say that I'm not a great fan of ketchup... or any other seasoning, for that matter. A little bit, fine, but I hate it when my food's smothered in ketchup, mayo, salt, or worst of all... vinegar. I hate vinegar. I've never understood the "salt-and-vinegar" thing at chippers everywhere, to me it's just disgusting.
Messing around with accompaniments is fun, though. You know, when you stir ketchup and sugar and salt together, sometimes you can get mayo or cocktail sauce if you're lucky... and you mess it all up, preferably with the leftovers of your food... oh, the fun!
Yes, I'm a child. Have I convinced you never to take me anywhere for dinner, yet?
Also, ranch is a weird name for a sauce, I thought it was a farm.
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sidne
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# Posted: 31 Dec 2005 02:05
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Yes, BRIA, Ranch is a weird name for a dressing. Pols and I didn't name it though. But it tastes really good. Only when it's fat free, of course.
Well, see, I know exactly which foods to put ketchup, BBQ sauce, salt, spicy brown mustard and yes, even ranch dressing on. I mean, seriously, in 21 years, my mother has never put enough salt on anything she makes. Ever. And, I'll grant, my mother is a fabulous cook and makes a ton of tasty food...it just needs salt. And chicken and pork chops need BBQ sauce. That's the only way I can even stomach pork chops. Ew. *shudders* And Daddy's steaks need A1 sauce. So it has been, so shall it always be.
So, the moral of this story is: if we want to tweak with our food, let us, damnit!
And, also, I just made my 300th post. Go me!
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