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david1
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# Posted: 24 Jan 2006 05:51
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clears throat
Suggestions yes ... erm ... activates brain cell
There is one thing ive noticed from what people have been saying within the chatroom and outside the chatroom, that they hate being within ISA, as they feel there is a lot of resentment towards there department, and them themselfs for enforcing the rules.
Maybe ISA personell shouldnt be listed to under CL5's or somthing, and maybe ISA should have an anomomous ISA user which they can use to enforce the rules and PD's within the chatroom without personal reprocusions, and/or without fear people might hate them for doing their Job.
XZ
waits for post to disapear again
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lzrman
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# Posted: 24 Jan 2006 23:31
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While your suggestion is a sound one, my personal opinion is against this idea.
While it may be best to remain anonymous towards a patron violating the prime directives it is not as as simple as it sounds.
Violators of the Prime directives need to understand and know who is dealing with them, the ISA are just doing there job and need to have there presence known to the chatters so the rules are followed.
Hiding behind a mask is not always the best situation, one needs to know that they are talking to someone face to face, literally.
Would a lamer want to talk through someone behind a shield? or would they like to talk to a direct person. Think of it as you talking directly to a representative of the ISA and not some anonymous deputy.
Its like when you phone your ISP, you want to talk to a representative directly and not an automated system where you have to wait to get to someone you will know by name.
Lzrman
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david1
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# Posted: 25 Jan 2006 09:52
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... i have to talk to someone in India who doesnt even understand English ... 
I see what you mean though.
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kady
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# Posted: 25 Jan 2006 15:45
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I actually don't have an opinion either way....
...But....
What about unmarked police cars and traffic lights with cameras? What about detectives and police dressed incognito? What about secret service agents and Area 51?
Perhaps david1 is on to something....
But, then again, I don't actually have an opinion either way...
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david1
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 08:05
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well maybe do the swat approach ...
Warn them in person and such. So they know whos dealing with them.
But use an anomous account to shoot them out with.
See if the swat guys shoot you, they dont go around telling you who they are, yet your always confronted with a police offica who you can see who gives you your warning or options.
cools down brain cell
XZ
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christena
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 10:04
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Hey! As this forum is for help wanted and classifieds, I have moved this over to the general chatter so more people will be able to see it.
Cinna
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lzrman
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 10:17
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If there was an anonymous account to remove our patrons for violations to the PD's then what is from having this anonymous code from leaking to anyone else?
Say CL5+ get to use this anonymous code, there is room for abuse.
The current armory system is sound as it is.
Lzrman
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david1
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 11:51
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yeah maybe ...
anyway
this was moved ... allthough the thread title read ... *coughs*
Help and Classifield
Use this forum to request help of other community members, or offer your assistance/services, as well as make suggestions for improvement ideas to the Outpost.
XZ
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christena
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 16:24
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Well David,
I was just trying to do you a favor, considering most people don't look beyond the General Chatter thread and I thought maybe you would want more input from other OTFers. Guess I was wrong. Don't worry, I won't make that mistake again.
If you want to close this thread and put it back on the Help Wanted forum....be my guest.
Regards,
Cinna
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kady
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 16:35
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*hauls in a portable ac unit* Wow, it's getting kinda heated in here isn't it? 
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osiris
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 17:10
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In all my years as an ISA officer i've not once been intimidated by a Lamer, and have not once had a problem doing my job, I Rarely notice resentment, and Mostly those that are resentful are never here for long.
I'm sorry but I have to say that an Anonymous ISA would be a bad Idea.
And, there has always been and always will be resentment towards authority.
Osiris.
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zildjian
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 18:02
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Hello,
I agree with Osiris. It would seem there are enough complaints about the ISA when people know who we are. I can only imagine what kind of complaints I'd get if we could hide behind some mask.  Diplomacy doesn't work with any one side hiding. We will do our jobs proudly. I seriously doubt any ISA officer would offer feelings of being resented, if so, they know where the other Department's applications are. They were not drafted to join the ISA.
It's just a chatroom. The ISA is not here to stop the fun. The ISA is here keeping the atmosphere from turning into Yahoo's. Our rules are very simple and our warnings are very clear. The system in place has effectively protected the chat for many years and I see no reason to further consider these suggestions though they are not unwelcome. Future suggestions may at any time be mailed to me
See you in the chat
Zildjian
ISA Director, OTF
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iain
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 18:24
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I agree with Sirius! *raises hand as if voting*
(Sirius = Zild, who also agrees with Osiris, in this context - and so, also Osiris by extension.)
Iain
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taurik
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 18:39
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I say we do away with the ISA altogether and resort to enforcement by marauding bands of vigilantes.
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lzrman
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 22:28
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lmao!
I agree with Keith 
Lzrman
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david1
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2006 23:32
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<!--QuoteBegin--christena+Jan. 26 2006,16:24--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (christena @ Jan. 26 2006,16:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well David, <br>I was just trying to do you a <b>favor</b>, considering most people don't look beyond the General Chatter thread and I thought <b><i>maybe</b></i> you would want more input from other OTFers. <b><i>Guess</b></i> I was wrong. Don't worry, I won't make that mistake <b>again</b>. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> <br>If you want to close this thread and put it back on the Help Wanted forum....be my guest.<br><br>Regards,<br>Cinna <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><font color="yellow">*sighs*</font> didnt mean like that. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo--><br><br><font size=1 color="black">goes and digs a hole in the ground, and sticks his head in it</font>
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hobbie
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# Posted: 27 Jan 2006 01:50
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In addition to that, anonymous chatters tend to be harrassed by most of the other Seniors. Take Section 31, for example. 
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polson
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# Posted: 27 Jan 2006 07:49
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Shhhhh! Don't say Section 31! That's like saying OTF Mafia, you might stir them out of hiding!
Osiris was on to something. People resent authority. I know I do. So regardless of the face behind the phaser, people are going to get rebelious. Deal with it.
Personally, I haven't felt resentment from lamers, but from people who are seniors and who are my "friends" who are disappointed in me for becoming ISA because somehow that means I'm not "Polson" anymore. Obviously they never knew me to begin with.
I say the lamers need to realize the ISA are people (and sandwiches) too, and the ISA needs to realize lamers are people (probably not sandwiches) too.
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bria
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# Posted: 27 Jan 2006 13:55
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If the ISA is around to keep the peace, we get yelled at for interfering, being unfair, and so on.
If we're not around for a change, we're criticised for not doing our job.
But that's part of the job description. If you can't take it, you don't stay. Personally, I couldn't care less if someone tells me that I'm being a jerk or whatever, if they just proved to me that they can't use their cop. If there weren't any need for us, we wouldn't be here.
And if people resent authority which only exists in theory, in a computer somewhere, which has a handy "off" button... well, I don't get it. Likewise, if people get airs because they have authority in that same world created by binary code and whatever else, which can be turned off by the flick of a switch... well, each to their own. That's how I look at it.
Aside from that, I'm as human as the next person, ISA or not. I'm still me, whether I'm in ISA, or ENT, or Guilds, or wherever.
No really, you can take that at face value.
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eagle
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# Posted: 27 Jan 2006 14:15
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<!--QuoteBegin--bria+Jan. 27 2006,13:55--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (bria @ Jan. 27 2006,13:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><font color=#9999ff>Aside from that, I'm as human as the next person, ISA or not. I'm still me, whether I'm in ISA, or ENT, or Guilds, or wherever.<br><br>No really, you can take that at face value. <!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/win.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>This is obviously a lie, as Briiiiiiiia is a cat. =)
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babel
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2006 01:42
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An anonymous ISA is a terrible idea for the many reasons listed in this thread. Hopefully the highly visible presence of ISA people would deter some idiots from breaking the rules. And let's be honest here . . . this is only a chatroom, we don't need to go overboard with secret death squads or anything like that Though the marauding bands of vigilantes isn't a bad idea. Can I be the Punisher? I could buy the t-shirt and everything!
'Personally, I haven't felt resentment from lamers, but from people who are seniors and who are my "friends" who are disappointed in me for becoming ISA because somehow that means I'm not "Polson" anymore. Obviously they never knew me to begin with.'
-Polson
Well Pols if any of your 'friends' are disappointed, it reflects poorly on them. I admit I was surprised BUT in a good way, I think it's a great thing and I was chuffed to bits when you got to CL5. If people are silly enough to change their opinion of you based on a position you hold on a website, stuff 'em! Berks.
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bria
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# Posted: 30 Jan 2006 04:20
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Eeeeeagle, it was not a lie. You'll note that I didn't specify who the next person was.
In other news, I agree with Babel. Actually, the fact that we have the ISA and all that was one of the main factors that convinced my mother to even let me come here. And it's a fact that people are less likely to go over the speed limit if they know that the cops keep an eye on that particular area... by way of an analogy.
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eagle
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# Posted: 30 Jan 2006 10:19
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I suppose that's true, as I was the next person.. even if I am none of the above.
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