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skevington
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2006 04:38
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Okay, so i was reading this and began to wonder to myself, should the German government have to return pieces of art originally lost due to the conflicts in the early 20th century?
I mean... the English removed pieces of art from all over the world and especially during the period in which it was standard for Englishman to undergo the Grand Tour. But we haven't been forced (with the exception of a few occasions) to return those pieces of art, so why should the German government?
And where the work is now, in museums, everyone can enjoy the art work. It isn't like one person specifically is benefitting from it. And what happens when the government returns art to the alleged original owners? They sale it to private collectors or something for a large sum.
What do you think? Should they return it or not? And if you vote, please offer your opinion as to why,
Dmitri
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sg_atlantis
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2006 05:00
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->It isn't like one person specifically is benefitting from it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>*cough* except the museum curiator... *cough*<br><br>Now they shouldn't have to return peices of art...That's like saying we should have to give the British back New England <!--emo&:v--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bro.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':v'><!--endemo--><br><br>I think people create problems like this just to create problems...They want their 15 minutes, so they bug others who have better things to do.
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brady
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2006 06:50
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Mmn.. it's a bit of a double-edged sword I suppose. In one sense it should be with the descendants of its creators, in another sense what's done is done and it is where it is. As long as it's accessible and safe, it's in the right place I guess. I'd probably feel differently if I were a descendant of the artist or something, but I'm not. So yeah.
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skevington
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 17:43
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Okay, so this places a slight spin on things. I was reading this article on the Guardian website. <br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><br>The Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum in Poland is under pressure to give back a series of watercolours painted by an 83-year-old Holocaust survivor. Dina Gottliebova Babbitt, a Czechoslovakian Jew, was deported to Auschwitz when she was a teenager. Babbitt maintains that she and her mother only escaped the gas chambers because Dr Joseph Mengele chose her to paint portraits of Gypsies interned at the camp, and later to record the results of his medical experiments on Auschwitz inmates.<br><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Read the full article <a href="http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1865155,00.html" target="_blank">here</a>.<br><br>I don't know *points to initial question* what about in this specific case? <br><br><br>Dmitri
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monny
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2006 11:59
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As a matter of fact England has had to return many Eqytian artifacts that were taken during colonization.
If a lot of these countries had inventory of what was stolen during imperial/colonial times then I'm sure that they would be "requesting" their property back.
Many of the countries in question are in the "Third World" and owe the IMF/the ex-imperialists more than they can ever pay back and so they don't bother messing with the creditors about stuff like art when they need trade and aid.
I guess my point is that if something is STOLEN it should be given back. (in good ole laymans terms)
Yes, it gets sticky and it's often not so simple but these artworks were obtain during one of the most horrific holocausts in human history.
Egypt has been demanding return of artifacts in recent years.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/20/1058639664811.html
Many countries have not forgotten about the pilaging that occured over the centuries.
http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/391/229
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2005....ei=5070
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monny
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2006 12:23
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<!--QuoteBegin--sg_atlantis+Aug. 16 2006,05:00--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (sg_atlantis @ Aug. 16 2006,05:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->...That's like saying we should have to give the British back New England <!--emo&:v--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bro.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':v'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Did the British ever rightfully own what they called New England? I think we can compare it to giving New England back to the original inhabitants.<br><br>Just more of my 2 cents....<br>I'm not flaming or anything
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