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candyshop
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 07:50
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Hi!
Let me start off by saying that I like children and that one day I hope to have children but I had an experienced (or two) marred by the presence of other peoples children.
My boyfriend and I are childless adults, we recently decided to go to Chicago (this past weekend in fact) for Labor Day. While we were there we decided to get tickets to see the King Tutankamon exhibit and the Field Museum (Read all about it in the next issue of Art Monthly! , because the last time the exhibit was here, in the united states, was in 1977 we decided that the best idea would be to get tickets to the after hours, "An Evening with King Tut" exhibit, which is supposed to give a more intimate setting and to help with the crowds.
Because the website read as being "intimate and professional" we actually wondered about dressing up, him in a jacket and tie and me in a black dress, I opted for nice dress pants and he went without the jacket and tie and we're glad we did.
These tickets cost $50.00 each, with an additional 3.00 for willcall and taxes we spent over a hundred and ten dollars ($110.00 for those who like the actual numbers). I understand that parents feel the need to culturally educate their children, however if I've paid $50.00 for something, I'd rather not have my feet stepped on by your 8 year old daughter in a shirt that reads "Princess". I don't want to hear your 3.00 year old crying because he can't have his juice because they don't allow liquids inside the exhibition, and most importantly of all, I don't want to hear your children whining because they're hungry and their feet hurt. Not to say I would have been any less annoyed if we had attended during the day, there would have been more people and probably more children but regular admission tickets were $20.00 and for that, I would have been more willing to see kids, to have my feet stepped on, and to hear kids screaming.
That night for dinner we wen't to Bice, this really nice Italian resturant. I mean, so nice the waiter pulled out the table so I could sit down and they changed the table linen after people finished eating. For dinner (including drinks and all that) we spent about $130.00(and the food made it worth every penny), they did NOT have a childrens menu. While the waiter was bringing us our food this kid (about 5 or 6) darts out, the waiter nearly decapitates him with the tray as he struggles not to drop our food onto the floor. Honestly, at 130 bucks I don't want to see or hear children. We paid good money for the dinner and everything and I almost had an excellent meal ruined by other people brats, I mean children.
If it had been a McDonalds or a Panera, okay, I would have understood, but children who don't know how to control themsevles have no place in an expensive resturant. So please, do the childless of us a favor, pay for a babysitter or get take out.
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 08:17
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Or the parents actually need to do a good job of parenting by beating some sense into their kids like not throwing fits in public. The Belt > Timeout.
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skevington
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 08:52
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All i have to say to this thread is...
Amen!
Children drive me insane when i go out, i don't have children because i don't want them, so i'd rather not have to put up with other little brats whining.
If i wanted to listen to them whine, i'd have kids myself. 
Dmitri
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monny
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 13:38
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I'd like to add that the term "childless" implies that you are missing something.
Many adults without children prefer the term CHILDFREE
Sounds liberating doesn't it.
Just a thought.
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candyshop
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 17:40
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Yes it does!
I am CHILDFREE! *dances about*
and a co-worker of mine said that "people with children have a right to go out to nice places too"
and to that I'd like to say "Yes, they have a right to, but they have a responsibility to get a babysitter"
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 18:44
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<!--QuoteBegin--candyshop+Sep. 05 2006,17:40--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (candyshop @ Sep. 05 2006,17:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes it does!<br><br>I am CHILDFREE! *dances about*<br><br>and a co-worker of mine said that "people with children have a right to go out to nice places too"<br><br>and to that I'd like to say "Yes, they have a right to, but they have a responsibility to get a babysitter"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>You should've also told your friend "Yeah, but they better keep their goofy bums in line if they have to bring them along."
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daecrist
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 20:34
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I couldn't agree more. From my observations the problem doesn't seem to be the children so much as a sense of entitlement amongst the most recent generation of parents. They seem to think that they can go out to late movies (past 9) with their screaming brats, or that they're entitled to have dinner at a nice restaurant with the same little monsters running around.
And discipline? What's that? Honestly, it's like people think their children have a right to be complete brats all the time. My parents didn't put up with nonsense when I was growing up, and there are plenty of kids out there who would do with a good smack instead of "oh honey quiet down please, i'm serious this time unlike the last 20 times I told you to be quiet."
While we're on the subject of annoying younger people, how about (young to mid-range) teenagers these days? If I had a penny for every time some group of teens was loud or obnoxious in a movie or restaurant then I'd be a rich man. It's like they think they own the damned place.
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 20:55
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<!--QuoteBegin--daecrist+Sep. 05 2006,20:34--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (daecrist @ Sep. 05 2006,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I couldn't agree more. From my observations the problem doesn't seem to be the children so much as a sense of entitlement amongst the most recent generation of parents. They seem to think that they can go out to late movies (past 9) with their screaming brats, or that they're entitled to have dinner at a nice restaurant with the same little monsters running around.<br><br>And discipline? What's that? Honestly, it's like people think their children have a right to be complete brats all the time. My parents didn't put up with nonsense when I was growing up, and there are plenty of kids out there who would do with a good smack instead of "oh honey quiet down please, i'm serious this time unlike the last 20 times I told you to be quiet."<br><br>While we're on the subject of annoying younger people, how about (young to mid-range) teenagers these days? If I had a penny for every time some group of teens was loud or obnoxious in a movie or restaurant then I'd be a rich man. It's like they think they own the damned place.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Ya know, I remember when I was a kid and I did something stupid or threw a fit, my dad would be there to beat the living daylights out of me. For the longest time, I hated it. But now, I'm glad he did it and I'm looking foward to beating some common sense and decency into my kids. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> <font size=1>aside from getting WIC, free slave labor,and mass amounts of trick or treat candy</font>
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citron
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 21:03
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A lot of parents don't know the difference between abuse and discipline. They also are afraid that by disciplining a child, that someone (the child or someone else), may accuse the parents of abuse. These accusations are serious and even if you're proven innocent, that never leaves you.
The thing is not to "beat the living daylights" out of your, but to have a punishment for bad behaviour.
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 21:26
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<!--QuoteBegin--citron+Sep. 05 2006,21:03--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (citron @ Sep. 05 2006,21:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->A lot of parents don't know the difference between abuse and discipline. They also are afraid that by disciplining a child, that someone (the child or someone else), may accuse the parents of abuse. These accusations are serious and even if you're proven innocent, that never leaves you.<br><br>The thing is not to "beat the living daylights" out of your, but to have a punishment for bad behaviour.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Right, like say smack a kids hand when they touch the stove when its on. Or spanking a kid in public when they're throwing a fit in public. Or even raising your voice at them would do that trick. Of course, the downside to that is being like me and being scared poopless of your dad until you're 18-19 years old. And for the people that accuse the parents that use physical discipline that could be classified as abuse there's way to tell. When you spank your kid with a belt or your hand, that's not abuse. Actually throwing punches at your kid, that's abuse. But perhapse it should be a mixture of both. Because just telling your kid that he's grounded or on timeout doesn't do much. Unless they knew if they try to break it that they got a whipping right around the corner.
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daecrist
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 21:33
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When I was growing up we would get a verbal warning first, and if that didn't work then we knew there would be a spanking or time spent in the corner. No need to abuse, but the complete lack of punishment for some children is ridiculous.
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citron
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 21:40
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<!--QuoteBegin--daecrist+Sep. 05 2006,21:33--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (daecrist @ Sep. 05 2006,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->When I was growing up we would get a verbal warning first, and if that didn't work then we knew there would be a spanking or time spent in the corner. No need to abuse, but the complete lack of punishment for some children is ridiculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Same here.. most times we listened to the warning. But there had to have been times when we needed more.<br><br>I also know that when I have children, I won't be afraid to discipline them. <br>I mean, I turned out ok.... right? <!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> *l*
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2006 21:43
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<!--QuoteBegin--daecrist+Sep. 05 2006,21:33--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (daecrist @ Sep. 05 2006,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->When I was growing up we would get a verbal warning first, and if that didn't work then we knew there would be a spanking or time spent in the corner. No need to abuse, but the complete lack of punishment for some children is ridiculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I know that my dad would do a little of both at the same time. He would yell at me, telling me what I did was wrong, while discipline me at the same time. Shoot even, when he talked to me, which was just him yelling in my face, I learned quick not to do it again. <br><br>It just really irritates me these days seeing parents just letting their kids throw hissy hits in public.
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gates
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2006 18:52
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You know what, I went to Chicago to the Tut Exhibit the first week of August, and I felt the same way. Not only at the Field Museum, but at the Art Institute, and the Museum of Science and Industry, and Alder Planetarium. By the time my week of vacation was over, I felt as worn out as I did when I left due to having to watch out for running children, having to listen to screaming children and having children throw things and try to touch things that they weren't supposd to. I'm not saying that I hate children, but some places just aren't fit for young children. My parents didn't take me to museums and other similiar places untill I was old enough to actually appreciate them. I'm sorry, but how does a 3 year old appreciate or even begin to comprehend how old these artifacts are and what they mean to some people? I don't mean to be hateful or mean, I just feel that it's not appropriate to take young children to some places.
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ayanna
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2006 21:03
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I agree completely about how parents these days don't control their kids when out eating at nicer restrauntants that aren't McDonalds. I'll use my sister's kids as examples.
Most the time when we go out to eat with them It's embarrasing having a kid sit their carrying on, bouncing around in the seat, yelling at the tops of their lungs about silly things. Or jumping around the floor as we wait for the food. It's embarrasing to say the least, Whats worse is that half the time i'll know someone their especially at D & W or Gills. Those are two of our more family oreinated restraunts, but thats still no excuse to allow your child to be loud and annoying. I pay to go out to eat to have a stress free night, last thing i wanna do is be stressed out by screaming, jumpy kids.
Wouldn't be so bad but every time i'm out with my sister and i attempt to make her kids behave she'll go *Oh, their fine, they aren't be that bad* or something along those line, And thats when you'll notice people staring and shaking their heads. I dunno where my sister went wrong with her kids really.
When we was brought up we was punished for our wrong doings. Depending on the variety of the wrong doing we either got grounded. which never worked on my brothers because they always managed to sneak out and then get caught in the end. we would end up getting spankings. Thankful i always listen and behaved cause spankings just scared the hell out of me.
But my sister, she still to this day seems to only think about herself and not others or how her kids act.
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polson
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2006 22:42
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All I know is my sister and I behaved like little angels because if we didn't, we knew we would die and they would never find our bodies. My parents could take us anywhere.
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2006 23:06
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<!--QuoteBegin--polson+Sep. 06 2006,22:42--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (polson @ Sep. 06 2006,22:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->All I know is my sister and I behaved like little angels because if we didn't, we knew we would die and they would never find our bodies. My parents could take us anywhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>That's reminds me of my family. We never went out much because my sister would never behave and throw fits all the time. I remember one time a long time ago me, my sisters, my mom, and my grandma were coming back from St.Joe, my grandma smacked my sister Tabby across the face because she wouldn't stop throwing a hissy fit. It was awesome.
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bont
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2006 22:02
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hrm... im not to sure about steve
but im still afriad of my mother... she can be a mean little woman, shes not afraid to smack me in public... even now...
a good beating never hurt nobody...
"Beat your child once a day, if do not know what for, he does"
Chinese Proverb
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jadzia_jones1
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 01:04
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<!--QuoteBegin--candyshop+Sep. 05 2006,07:50--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (candyshop @ Sep. 05 2006,07:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> Honestly, at 130 bucks I don't want to see or hear children. We paid good money for the dinner and everything and I almost had an excellent meal ruined by other people brats, I mean children. <br><br>If it had been a McDonalds or a Panera, okay, I would have understood, but children who don't know how to control themsevles have no place in an expensive resturant. So please, do the childless of us a favor, pay for a babysitter or get take out.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> Looks to me like you are stamping your foot down just like the children where at the restaurant. For gowd sake they are kids, yes Mum and dad should have done something. Do you know why the took the kids with them? Or why they didn't get a baby sitter? Did it have ' No Children allowed ' sign at the door? <br><br>Maybe next time you should look for a restaurant where no children are allowed after 7pm. <br><br>* jadzia *
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candyshop
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 04:06
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<!--QuoteBegin--jadzia_jones1+Sep. 08 2006,01:04--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (jadzia_jones1 @ Sep. 08 2006,01:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> Looks to me like you are stamping your foot down just like the children where at the restaurant. For gowd sake they are kids, yes Mum and dad should have done something. Do you know why the took the kids with them? Or why they didn't get a baby sitter? Did it have ' No Children allowed ' sign at the door? <br><br>Maybe next time you should look for a restaurant where no children are allowed after 7pm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>You're absolutely right, I am throwing a hissyfit, but you have to understand, I'm not just talking about these two specific incidents, it happens all the time and I'm sure every time the parents are sure they have a good excuse for bringing there snot nosed brats along (no seriously once at a resturant this kid blew his nose on a table cloth at the table next to us) but they just shouldn't.<br><br>I think a resturant without a kids menu is a pretty good "No Children allowed" sign because no one actually wants to say "No children" because it makes them sound bad. But they're are family oriented resturants and then theres not.<br><br><br>And for the last point... A restaurant that doesn't allow children after 7pm are generally 1. bars, 2. not that nice... and 3. Since I'm under 21, I can't do the whole bar thing... <br><br><br>It seems to me, that if parents used a little more common sense when determining if something was child appropriate I wouldn't have to rant about it. If I didn't want to wack my head against the dinner table every time I hear a mother demanding that they make a childsized portion of macaroni and cheese, or that since they make apple tarts that they MUST simply take an apple and slice it up but then refusing to pay the cost of the apple, or the tart, or anything else for that matter.
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polson
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 07:56
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You know what? I think that all around - adults who want to be catered to their childfree environments, and parents who think kids go everywhere, and Balco because I said so - our society has a huge issue with our sense of entitlement.
"I'm entitled to bring my kids anywhere I want, regardless of their conduct."
"I'm entitled to blow my nose on this table cloth."
"I'm entitled to run around and scream."
"I'm entitled to have a free apple for my screaming kid."
"I'm entitled to go to a restuarant without interruption by little brats."
I'm entitled, I'm entitled, I'm entitled, I'm entitled.
Folks, the world would be a slightly better place if we started being a little bit more selfless and started telling ourselves, "I'm NOT entitled."
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monny
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 09:04
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<!--QuoteBegin--polson+Sep. 08 2006,07:56--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (polson @ Sep. 08 2006,07:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Folks, the world would be a slightly better place if we started being a little bit more selfless and started telling ourselves, "I'm NOT entitled."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I think that if you are willing and able to pay a little extra then you should be entitled to some benefits. We are not talking about free public places. In thae case of a national monument or so then everyone is entitled to the same rights.<br><br>There is nothing unhealthy about having a "childfree" environment. More than likely some of the couples present have children at home but want to spend time with each other. <br><br>If you go to Chuck E Cheese then you get what you pay for. Your kids are ENTITLED to run around and scream all they want. Children also have to learn that society has rules and regulations. Some behavior should not be tolerated anywhere.<br><br>On the other had I guess the only way to ensure a childfree environment is to next time go to a swear fest or a porn show. *lol*<br>Oh yeah or a Casino.
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taurik
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 10:31
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"candyshop" gets the "Keith Stamp of Approval".
Take it from a server. When we come out of that kitchen, we're not only trying to balance a try with YOUR food on it, we're also trying to adjust our eyes to the light difference. The dining room is darker than the kitchen. The last thing I need is some kid to dart in front of me.
Or when you're trying to take an order and the kids keep yelling, "I want chicken! I want Coke! I want! I want!" I'M NOT HERE TO ENTERTAIN YOU! If you want Entertainment, go to Hooters. They have inflatable toys there.
Plus the sound of a crying kid makes me really like the idea of Euthanasia.
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 10:37
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<!--QuoteBegin--taurik+Sep. 08 2006,10:31--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (taurik @ Sep. 08 2006,10:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or when you're trying to take an order and the kids keep yelling, "I want chicken! I want Coke! I want! I want!" I'M NOT HERE TO ENTERTAIN YOU! If you want Entertainment, go to Hooters. They have inflatable toys there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>See, that's where the parent needs to take some responbility, hold up the hand of justice and look right into kids eye and say "If you don't knock it off, i'm gonna smack you!" and if the kid continues to be a stupid annyoing twit...BAM, they get smacked by the hand of justice. That kid will think twice before yelling like that.
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jadzia_jones1
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 11:15
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Soon you will be putting children in with the ban on smoking in public places !.
Yes Perants have the right to take children where and when they please.
It's a whole new topic on parenting, If they are not taught what's right and wrong, manners behaviour etc ..These children only do what perants let them get away with. So who is wrong here? The children of the perants?
Jadzia
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shakeycat
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 12:04
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Out of curiosity, have any parents commented yet?
I feel that parents should not be afraid to get a babysitter. I remember really enjoying Friday nights, when my parents would go out and leave us with a babysitter. Parents get a night without kids, babysitter gets cash + experience, and kids get PAID ENTERTAINMENT! woooooo
-Tanya
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anth
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 14:07
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Call me an old misery. But i keep well away from bars where teens and younger people frequent. I find their behaviour alot worse than childrens. At least children have an excuse, in that they are children!
many, not all by any means, young adults shall we call them, are rude, and down right disgusting in my experiance. I'd much rather see a kid misbehave on the odd occasion that i find myself near a family that has come out for an evening. Than a bunch of teens or early twenty somethings shouting abuse, getting drunk etc, and beeing idiots all night, and putting garage music on the jukebox! ( everybody knows good loud music ended with The Clash and the Pistols. ) ( ok, i did behave like that when i was 17-21'ish, but that doesnt mean i like to be around it at 37. *LOL*
I guess what i'm saying is, the people complaining about others are in fact the target of others who have gripes about them too. I'm sure many teens wouldnt want to be around people like me in a pub all night either. Way too boring, chatting about Cricket etc.
In my experiance, there are lots of places to socialize while out. All atract a different crowd, at least one place will suit you if you hunt around.
I take the point about the museum evening. I would have expected that to be an adults only kind of thing. But you could say they were attempting to be excellent parents by taking their children to such an informative event. You can't win i suppose.
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candyshop
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 15:04
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<!--QuoteBegin--polson+Sep. 08 2006,07:56--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (polson @ Sep. 08 2006,07:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->You know what? I think that all around - adults who want to be catered to their childfree environments, and parents who think kids go everywhere, and Balco because I said so - our society has a huge issue with our sense of entitlement.<br><br>"I'm entitled to bring my kids anywhere I want, regardless of their conduct."<br><br>"I'm entitled to blow my nose on this table cloth."<br><br>"I'm entitled to run around and scream."<br><br>"I'm entitled to have a free apple for my screaming kid."<br><br>"I'm entitled to go to a restuarant without interruption by little brats."<br><br>I'm entitled, I'm entitled, I'm entitled, I'm entitled.<br><br>Folks, the world would be a slightly better place if we started being a little bit more selfless and started telling ourselves, "I'm NOT entitled."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>It's not really a matter of entitlement, it's a matter of responsibility. Parents should be responsible enough to know when/where it's appropriate to bring your kids.<br><br>And just to make a point, we tipped the waiter 30% because he didn't drop our food and didn't decapitate the kid. Though the latter may have been acceptable..
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lima_
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 17:02
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<!--QuoteBegin--skevington+Sep. 05 2006,08:52--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (skevington @ Sep. 05 2006,08:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->All i have to say to this thread is...<br><br><b>Amen!</b><br><br>Children drive me insane when i go out, i don't have children because i don't want them, so i'd rather not have to put up with other little brats whining. <br><br>If i wanted to listen to them whine, i'd have kids myself. <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--> <br><br><br>Dmitri<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>*L* My parents have seven of us and we knew never to act like that, ESPECIALLY in public, ESPECIALLY at such a nice place, because when we got home it would be to dad's belt with you. <!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> And you never did it again, either.<br><br>2. Sometimes the parents are worse than their kids <!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> - I went to a restaurant when I was in Wisconsin and this lady was sitting at the table next to us talking on her cell and her kids were just talking and laughing quietly, I mean I couldn't even hear what they were saying and they were 5 feet away from me at the most, and she starts yelling at them about making too much noise, and she told them to be quiet like 10 times <!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--> An they weren't doing anything! <!--emo&:v--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bro.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':v'><!--endemo--><br><br>3. But then I also agree with the entitlement bit. Don't take your kids somewhere if you know they're gonna be brats if you do so. But if a kid at a restaurant or wherever bugs you, shrug it off, it doesn't matter THAT much.<br><br>~Lima
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deanna
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 19:42
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I have a daughter.
She's now a teenager so I'm not with a little one so much anymore. But my goodness, I relished in getting a babysitter, I felt no need to take my child everywhere and when I did take her somewhere, she knew how to act..."or else" isn't a bad option. *L* Too many parents really do let their kids rule the home anymore. Such a shame really, I know some of my friends are driven by guilt, they work all day, they're not home or whatever and feel like "junior" needs to do whatever the heck he or she wants to do. That's just dumb! Kids need rules and guidelines. Likewise, adults ...really do need kid free times and places. Just like our kids need times away from us.
I could just see it now, if I felt the need to go everywhere with my teenager, she'd look at me like I had two heads, then why in turn do we feel the need to keep our children with us when we go EVERYWHERE!
I would LOVE more "adult only" venues. I don't mean Xrated venues, I mean nights out kid free. A wonderful dinner with adult friends, a movie, the theatre, I'm not talking about banning the kiddies from everything, but there's a time and a place...
Bring on the breaks! *from a mom!*
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