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fat_man
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2006 14:28
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Erm you misunderstand me,
I was asking if doing this would help build community.
I already know about the Cliques and etc of OTF, but do you really think that this is gonna make matters better?
In my Eyes it won't.
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stewie
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2006 15:52
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That rant was not directly aimed at you  it was taking into consideration a lot of coments.
Yes it would build a community of room owners and room users... ok sounds like a cop out
but my space is a community of bloggers and blog readers , Its a community *shrugs*
I still don't how blogs would build a community or customised themes would?
I mean, putting all chatters in one room (even with switchable themes) is going to cause some tensions.
Generic Sci-fi , generic fantasy rooms.... blah... sounds awful.. especailly when you examine there are different types of sci.... sci-fantasy (star wars), Sci-Western (firefly)
(sci-horror) Alien to name but a few
in fact, thats the nature of our entertainment, the dirversity..
take away the chance to be different and independant , may as well have one theme....
I wonder what a borg cube interface would look like.
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lzrman
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2006 23:16
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May I point out you'd be a great marketing director 
Now i tend to agree with stew here, stick a donation box on the front page, even if you get random people submitting even a dollar donation multiply that by a few possible thousand or so members, you got your parking costs, bandwidth costs and possible surplus.
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bria
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 09:09
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To be honest? If I want MySpace, I go to MySpace. If I want OTF, I go to OTF. Why make one into a shadow of the other?
I might add that I prefer OTF because the chaotically-coded, chronically mis-spelt, jumbled-together, glitzy, uncoordinated MySpace pages make my head hurt. And because chatting is much more instant and straightforward than leaving comments.
Also... I've met some great people here. Just by talking to them. I haven't needed a blog, comment box, whiteboard, mailbox, homepage, picture album, or anything else for that.
The thing that's made me stay around OTF over the years isn't my dossier options or the chatboard layout, it's the people.
Just my two cents; disagree if you wish. 
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david1
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 09:43
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Okay... out of control...
Im all for changes to help attract more people here ...
... but im not for turning Outpost10F into a charity, or turning it into a company.
Its a free site supported by its members, and thats how it should stay.
XZ
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stewie
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 11:47
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Okay... out of control...
Im all for changes to help attract more people here ...
... but im not for turning Outpost10F into a charity, or turning it into a company.
Its a free site supported by its members, and thats how it should stay.
XZ
Honestly OTF is a charity
its not supported by ALL of its members.
You think NOT paying for a webaccount pays the bills?
department pages don't keep her afloat, Theres no body saying, hmmm they make so many department pages and events, lets give her free hosting..
donations pay the bills, donations made by those that buy webaccounts....really the webspace and e-mail alias don't cut it.
needs more
needs something radical
needs to move into the next millenium,
I'm all for that, through with regressive thinking, and the rose tinted view of what a community is..
OTF is a virtual community opperating in a very real world.
its real money keeping this afloat..
and as always... the level of membership that exists now (the free stuff) would still exist for free.
Just get more perks for your bucks. Which would bring in more people, I'm also proposing something which would "encourage" membership, not make it "compulsary"
Saying, Oh go on , you know its for a worthy cause don't work does it dave
Also ... more new FREE members YAY.
that just increases the bandwidth usage and pricing policy..
Gotta love that support, "I'll come to oft, use all their bandwidth, make pages that eat more bandwidth, and not help them at all with the pricing cost"
Wicked support there.... what was I thinking.
you need to attract new members, but encourage them to pay.. "encourage" not "force"... how do you "encourage"? by simply offering paid members more than free members...
simple enough equation..
Sorry for being a realist, but thats what we need.
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skevington
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 18:03
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The Outpost has massive commercial potential... you got people writing about artists work, if someone is reading about that, chances are they are interested in it already so why not make it easy for them to buy it if they WANT to? You have music reviews, if someone is reading a review, chances are they are part of the way to considering purchasing something by said musician, so see above.
You did have a online store for otf, you could massively expand upon that. May sound dumb, i dunno... it just makes more sense i think than letting people create their own chat sites or what not. Truth be told, i may have misunderstood as i haven't read it 100% properly because it is 2am and my eyes are blurry *lol*
As for marketing...? I'm an administrator at Kuro RPG. It is a massive trek rank pip resource, pretty much all of Bravo Fleet use our stuff as well as the likes of Trekfans United. We get a LOT of traffic. I'll get a banner or some advertisement added for the Outpost to the main site.
Perhaps that is what we need to be doing, cultivating links with other established trek associated websites. That doesn't really seem to be what is happening right now... at times a pro-active approach needs to be taken. 
Dmitri
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kayana
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 22:30
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I love, love, love Stewie's idea. I'd be willing to help out. Amazing thinking
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lzrman
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 23:15
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Amazing thinking exactly.
What is the status of the topsites project, I've heared nothing on this, where we link to sites they link us back promoting the outpost and gathering members. This project
needs to be revisited and completed.
As for donations, we could set up special perks for a set donation value.
Donation and Support Pack:
1. Advertising Package (This could be our topsites project and the random site of the day on the outpost mainpage.
2. Message Board Packages
-Donator Package = $5.00
> Includes Donator Chat/Forum Icon
-Emoticon Package = $10.00
> Custom Emoticon Data Set on the Chat/Forums (Limit 5 Custom)
-Custom Title Package = $15.00
> Custom Title in Chat/Forums
-Custom Title & Emoticon Package $17.00
> Custom Emoticon Data Set on the Chat/Forums (Limit 10 Custom)
-Super Donator Package = $20.00
> Includes 20 MB of Webspace
-Super Donator PLUS Package = $25.00
> Includes POP Email Account
-Ultra Donator Package = $35.00
> Includes 30 MB of Webspace
-Ultra Donator PLUS Package = $38.00
> HTML (through selection menu's in chattop restricted)
-VIP = $50.00
> Includes VIP Icon, 50 MB of webspace, Blog Functionality
-Executive = $65.00
> Custom Avatar
> HTML (full html, javascript disabled)
There will be 5 Different Donator Icons
- Green for Donator
- Yellow for Super Donator
- Cyan for Ultra Donator
- Purple for VIP Donator
- Red for Executive Donator
3. The Outpost Store - Buy outpost related merchandise, thus giving us a small commission on the sale, thus supporting the site.
4. Regular Donation = Just want to support the Outpost without any package, this would be the way to do so.
Now the Levels and Perks can be tailered to our needs and the prices can be altered to reflect what our members are willing to purchase.
I threw him some privilages that are set per Clearance Level, but I believe if a member truely wants to support the outpost in this fashion they be given a privilage that is shown at respective levels.
From time of Donation, the package would expire in 1 years time.
So far I've heared that some people work hard for the privilages they have and that they should not be up for purchase. I tend to agree and just threw the idea in the open for discussion
Comments, Ooo's? Kudo's?
Lzrman
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darth_balco
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 02:27
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Before I throw out some random two cents about this thread, I just wanna say that the peeps here got some really good ideas on how to keep the money flow that keeps OTF up flowing.
Now on to random, but slightly possible two cents idea...perhaps several dozens members could get together to buy mass amounts of Powerball lottery tickets. If by some miracle they happen to win it. Or just try to win a lot of scratchers tickets and hope they win big on it. They would have plenty of money to keep OTF going for a long time. That would be the lazy man's way of getting more funds to OTF.
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citron
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 03:57
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<!--QuoteBegin--lzrman+Sep. 23 2006,23:15--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (lzrman @ Sep. 23 2006,23:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->So far I've heared that some people work hard for the privilages they have and that they <font color=cyan>should not be up for purchase</font>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>True. To those of us who worked hard to become where we are, it would be unfair. Not to mention, you do this and your departments would die. Why be in them if you won't be promoted? Be honest, how many people work in a department to be promoted? Most of them.
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david1
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 04:53
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I agree here, people join depts to get promoted. We're all part of one big happy family... bring money into the equation, and it will tear the place apart ... people buy webspace because its not limited to otf, its somwhere else, and only hosted on the server.
i can see now, the rich/poor divide, the rich pay for their stuff, while the poor work hard to try to earn their ranks.
It will happen
XZ
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stewie
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 13:14
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No david, people don't buy otf webaccounts for that reason at all..
WHAT does it say, under the status bar in the chat rooms???????????
[Support OTF and expand your OTF profile through purchasing a web account]
Well... its not saying that you should purchase one to because its nothing to do with OTF, quite the contary it seems, Hmmmmmn.
Clue, It mentions OTF twice...
How many people work in departments to get promoted..
exactly
how many people work in departments to get promoted...
to get promoted
to... Get...Promoted...
Interesting that one...
Another thing that needs addressing.... another thing to what I have a solution for, but thats going in my proposal.
Rich poor divide? sorry I did'nt realise OTF had a rich membership,..
I know plenty of people who work hard in REAL life and spend their money...on supporting OTF.
Alienating your financial supporters is not a valid bussiness plan, You may not think of OTF as a bussiness, but it still needs to follow a bussiness model in order to
Attract new members
Entice new members and old members to keep her flying with money donations.
You honestly think that people who pay to give the "poor" members a place to chat should not have something? Sorry thats exactly what the "rich" members are doing by buying web accounts, which as stated, are not really that fantastic.
And Dmitri.. yes the outpost does have commerical possibilities, but not on trek, you can't sell copyright materials
you can sell however chat rooms,
you can't legally buy trek fan fic or trek fan art
you can however buy unthemed chat rooms that you can customise how you see fit..
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anth
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 16:23
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<!--QuoteBegin--citron+Sep. 24 2006,03:57--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (citron @ Sep. 24 2006,03:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->you do this and your departments would die. Why be in them if you won't be promoted? Be honest, how many people work in a department to be promoted? Most of them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I am not in a dept to get promoted at all. Infact, i never send in the hours i've worked, or a monthly report, ever. So, how would i ever be promoted?<br><br>I do things because i enjoy them and i believe a few others may enjoy or be interested in the end result. I couldnt care less about my rank. So, why waste my time keeping track of the work i've done?<br><br>If you're here just to earn shiny gold stars on the road to a higher rank, then i believe you're approaching this community in the wrong way. <br><br>If people leave departments because of reasons such as getting their plastic out instead of working, then i say the departments are better off without them. <br><br>They are likely to be just drones anyway, who simply pump out any old work to rack up hours to put in a report, to earn little ticks against their names on the road to a promo. We need people with vision and imagination who enjoy the work for what it is. Not for these other motives.<br><br>I'm not sure anybody is that stupid that they would spend money purely just to earn a higher rank? I mean, is anybody that sad? Try going into your local bar and saying in a loud voice "i'm a CL7 at OTF!", and see how many people are impressed. *LOL* If you place that much value on your rank here, then i would advise taking a long hard look at your life. <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--> <br><br>Getting that rank through contributions, and helping to build this place is something to feel good about on the other hand.<br><br>No, i'm pretty sure if money was handed over it really would be out of support for this place, aswell as of course getting those extra perks. Surely not for simply getting a higher rank?<br><br>Just how do you equate contributing anyway? Surely somebody who goes into a chat, is friendly, good natured, fun, etc. Is also going to do a hell of alot for this place without maybe racking up X amount of hours for a dept. People like that were the reason i came back here again and again in the early days of my membership. let's not forget that.<br><br>I agree with the proposals regarding money for the Outpost opening up extra privelidges. I also whole heartedly support those who maybe couldnt afford it, but are willing to put in many hours to support this place in other ways.<br><br>I have to agree with Stewie's idea about being able to build your own chat right here, under the OTF banner. How many OTF clones have we seen spring up over the years? Most are based on passing fads on TV or film etc, and then they die. At least it could all be kept right here.<br><br>Also, lets not forget within all this, there is a fine line between keeping something afloat financialy, and making a profit. If some of these proposals led to a huge profit, that is more likely to end dept work rather than anything else. Many would feel that they are working for nothing while somebody, somewhere is profiting from their efforts.
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david1
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 16:42
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<!--QuoteBegin--stewie+Sep. 24 2006,13:14--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (stewie @ Sep. 24 2006,13:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->you can sell however chat rooms, <br><br>you can however buy unthemed chat rooms that you can customise how you see fit..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>How many free chatrooms are there out there?<br><br>Are chatroom popular enough to warrent spending money on such? Its the theme thats the issue, and not the variety of rooms, like if otf opened up a harry potter chatroom, it would probabily get flooded with potter fans...<br><br>You do know that simple code version of this type of chat is easily available for download, but with absolutly basic security and such... <br><br>You want so many different rooms at otf? this poses an issue. - each person would be responsible for their own chat right? who'd police them? protect against hackors and such? ISA? are you saying your going to pay each ISA member to protect each chatroom... because even with free chatrooms its a big hastle, and you want them to protect pay'd for chatrooms? What incentive do you give them?<br><br>As for allowing people to customize their own chatroom, would their be some sort of "theme builder"?, who's going to make that? surely they would want "royalties" everytime someone buys one right?<br><br><b>XZ</b>
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david1
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 16:52
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<!--QuoteBegin--anth+Sep. 24 2006,16:23--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (anth @ Sep. 24 2006,16:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I mean, is anybody that sad? Try going into your local bar and saying in a loud voice "i'm a CL7 at OTF"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Im gunna try that. Ill let you know how it goes.<br><br><b>XZ</b>
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david1
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 17:01
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<!--QuoteBegin--stewie+Sep. 24 2006,13:14--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (stewie @ Sep. 24 2006,13:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->You honestly think that people who pay to give the "poor" members a place to chat should not have something? Sorry thats exactly what the "rich" members are doing by buying web accounts, which as stated, are not really that fantastic.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>So when people pay they get nothing? they dont get any webspace? is it a myth? ... <br><br>*ahem - jokes aside*<br><br>I can see your point there, but ill state somthing, you arnt forced to buy otf webspace, you do so on your own choice.<br><br>As for the accounts not being "that" fantastic ... If the accounts arnt appealing, go to Andrew and suggest somthing, because maybe thats a hidden problem that needs dealing with. <br><br>But otf webspace does have its advantage other other hosts, You know the owner, you have a community of people to help you with problems, or there to help you design stuff for your sites, you know otf isnt a host thats going to go and disapear on you and take your money, you know as avvid chatters to the website, that its a stable server so uptime on your site is very reliable, plus one thing a lot of sites dont offer, you have people in place to help defned sites against hackors and such, so you know your website is on quite a safe an secure host. - <sub>now i feel likes a saleman</sub><br><br>Only reason i dont have one <i><sub>yet</sub></i> Is that I dont have a use for one... yet.<br><br><b>XZ</b>
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stewie
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 17:52
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<!--QuoteBegin--david1+Sep. 24 2006,17:01--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (david1 @ Sep. 24 2006,17:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->[quote=stewie,Sep. 24 2006,13:14]<br><br>As for the accounts not being "that" fantastic ... If the accounts arnt appealing, go to Andrew and suggest somthing, because maybe thats a hidden problem that needs dealing with. <br><br><b>XZ</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Errr..... I am suggesting something..... *just blinks* <br><br>Its not a hidden problem... People aint buying them... period<br><br>as for who polices against hackors... yes Intell would, because its still hosted on OTF... OTF would make sure rooms were protected against the latest virus threats as they can't allow the risk of hacks flooding the server<br><br>simple enough, if a user room was vunerable so would the outpost as a whole be, law of self presivation.<br><br>nasty chatters... ooh big deal.. police yourself with your armoury..<br><br>as for free rooms on other sites<br><br>yes there are free rooms but as you said yourself david, your words...<br>"its the otf brand name" means its secure etc...<br><br>also the fact that OTF can probablly get more people through their doors than these struggling sites <br><br>yes you can download the code<br><br>but who apart from you and other code monkeys wants to code?<br><br>thats the thrill of it, easily creating a room... all the thrills non of the hassel...<br><br>I'd rather hit a few buttons and have a room created than have to code<br><br>a room that is sold is a blank template<br><br>the themes such as graphics, and rank structures are made by the room owners..<br><br>and I've included the "compensation" clause in a propopsal i'm gonna drop on a few desks.<br><br>Er, the point on themes... is someone could make their own here at OTF where they feel comfortable.<br><br><br>How many times is the outpost asked to make a theme for this , that or the other...<br><br>the out post can't possiblly make everytheme out there... thats why you give the user the choice to ....<br><br>MAKE THEIR OWN<br><br>and SHARE IT<br><br>a theme selector in the main chat could only work client side.....not server side.<br><br>and if it worked server side... people would be p'd off with people changing themes every five mins...<br><br>your own customisable room though... you can make your own themed room... and yes, share it..<br><br>with out saying switch to theme 101/2.a<br><br>etc so we on the same page... awful clunky way for fans of a genre to chat to each other....<br><br>Also addressing the issue about promotions and payment again.. if thats a persons only reason for working for the outpost.... honestly, do you want them in the community?<br><br>"I'll work so long as I'm rewarded"... I'm not suggesting people won't be compensated, my proposal,(which is more than just user rooms btw) will address all these issues and more.
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david1
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2006 10:28
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<!--QuoteBegin--stewie+Sep. 24 2006,17:52--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (stewie @ Sep. 24 2006,17:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->simple enough, if a user room was vunerable so would the outpost as a whole be, law of self presivation.<br><br>nasty chatters... ooh big deal.. police yourself with your armoury..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Marshal Laq... sounds awesome... would mean otf wouldnt be able to keep it Family Freindly Status which its fought hard for, but blerb. So you say each of these chatroom is going to have a large base of users will to just sit around and kick people off just for the hell of it?<br><br>That would create a gang culture, - kick off the people you dont like and keep the ones you do - Exclusive or what?<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->thats the thrill of it, easily creating a room... all the thrills non of the hassel...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I know plenty of people who'd want to set up stargate rooms... now then what if everyone just made one type of room... or lets limit it... say 5 people set up 5 stargate rooms... givign people too much choice dilutes the table, and causes users to be spread out ... so people will be talking in excluise vclubs rarther then just talking to people off different opinions... yuo'll just be umogst people with your pov...<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->MAKE THEIR OWN<br><br>and SHARE IT<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I can see an issue with this... each site has to be marketed? howso? by who? This is sounding like your have to make each chatroom into a mini otf with its own sub departments...<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->a theme selector in the main chat could only work client side.....not server side.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>The whole point of a client side theme selector is because of the underlying main point - Chatting in a "Chatroom" is deterioritating - i.e. people prefer to leave a message for someone rarther then go into a room and just sit around waiting for a freind to come online... With online games and the such... people are widely entertained online nowadays, unlike the old days when otf came to light, when there was little to do online other then chat to people. <br><br><b>XZ</b><br><br>Healthy discussion lol? considering i allready know some "vital" peoples opinions on this topic. =(
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stewie
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2006 11:05
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[quote=david1,Sep. 25 2006,10:28][/quote]
Listen.. Dave..
You pay for a room, or a site, you have every right to kick people off of it. It like if you buy a real house in real life.
You have the right to Invite or Eject people from your own home.
You DON'T have the right to do Eject people from public spaces . Unless you are a member of the police.
Its not marshal law by any means. The OTF communial and public spaces will remain the same.
In real Life the police can't enter your home with out a warrent, Same would apply to OTF. You can spit in your own home, you can't on the street.. however if someone breaks into your home, the police will protect it.
And well rooms that are owned as said would come with PG or Mature Certificates... (maybe included in the pricing plan)
Meaning the Site is familly friendly, but just by clicking myspace blogs in dossiers here, I've come across content thats not family friendly. By rating rooms, it serves to keep minors wandering in, and some people would be happier with that idea too.
Yes its exclusive. Whats the big deal? I could handle being kicked from a users room, I've got a thick skin and am not a whiney crybaby who would be bothered.
Theres already a gang culture at otf, maybe you need to check your prescription glasses.
I never said it would need sub departments... ???????
WHERE did you get that misconception????? I meant SHARE the room with other people who might want to CHAT there.
The room will not come with OTF departments...
Don't be ridiculous. I never suggested such a thing, Please. Check your reading prescription.
I've just handed in my propopsal, which covers a lot more.
Talking bout OTF as a bussiness..
OTF wants financial support , Its gotta make its self marketable.
end of discussion..
If it wants to engage on discussions about social politics...
then its doomed, quite simple.. you are not proposing how to make it a marketable commodity, which if I may be frank.
Is what it needs to survive.
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david1
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2006 11:30
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<!--QuoteBegin--stewie+Sep. 25 2006,11:05--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (stewie @ Sep. 25 2006,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I never said it would need sub departments... ???????<br><br>WHERE did you get that misconception????? I meant SHARE the room with other people who might want to CHAT there.<br><br>The room will not come with OTF departments...<br><br>Don't be ridiculous. I never suggested such a thing, Please. Check your reading prescription.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>O was meaning that ... people "like to have power" they will want to have their OWN room.<br><br>You saying that with the opertunity to build you "own" room, people wont do that, and will share someone else's room...?<br><br>yuo give people the opertunity and people will do it, like how many Tenforward clones are out there? and i wonder how many of those there made by members who use to be on otf?<br><br>And if multiple rooms where made, people will want peopel to use "their" room and not the others therfore they will do things to help keep people there.
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polson
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2006 13:46
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I don't have any idea of what you two are talking about.
That aside, if OTF is in financial trouble, I have no interest in buying a website because I don't have the expertise to maintain it. It would be a waste for me. However - it doesn't mean I wouldn't want to support the place in other ways. Get creative!
For example...I'd be happy to compile a collection of OTF cartoon strips, using all the ones the Blue Report will use, and on top of that some that I will not be submitting to the Blue Report and then we could sell copies to anyone who wanted an "OTF Blues" comic book (OTF Blues is the name I came up with for the strip, I apologize if it's terribly corny, but I love it). Proceeds would go to cover the cost of shipping and whatever it takes to put together the books, and the rest would go toward supporting Andrew's web costs. That would be awesome! And since it's all based on the people of OTF and not on the concepts of our favorite shows, there's no problem with trademark infringement.
I'm serious...I'd do that...that would be awesome...Iain? Anybody? Issat plausible?
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stewie
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2006 14:40
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Actually Pols, if you are doing a parody its free from copyright infringement anyhow So you can actually mention any tv show or movie so long as its a parody
No dave because not "everyone" will build a room, it will cost some bucks. It will be one of the "high" end price plans.
Like life, A home would be the most expensive thing you buy on the out post.
come on, this is a simple concept to follow. you are convoluting it with problems that won't exist.
There would be low cost and high cost perks... I'm suggesting that there are perks. Its just a case of creating a price plan..
Your own room being one of the high end costs...
If you are envisioning the out post FLOODED with user rooms
you probablly not thinking in market terms.
People are free to market their rooms how they feel.. Sup to them, but I know it would be impratical to have mini departments... I'm sure others would.
Personally I'd look at these rooms as personal chat rooms
"virtual quarters" the webaccounts allow you "imaginary" quarters... go a step futher...
treat them in that fashion, regardless of what themes people decide upon when they create it...
Its like a real home
you buy it
you decorate it.
You live in it when you want privacy or just a couple of mates around..
otherwise, you go down the pub.....
hmmmm Ten Forward is a bar
as is the cantina..
Its not a hard concept to grasp
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anth
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2006 02:49
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Polson : That's a great idea. Stewie's right, you could feature Stargate, Star Wars, or Trek characters or ships etc as long as the comic was not serious, if it was a parady. No copyright issues at all.
Is this whole thing digital? an online comic?
If it's a hard copy issue that's going to be posted out to those that want it, the only thing i'd have to say, cos i'm a printer by trade. Is you'll have to carefully work out your overheads and find out just how much this will cost to produce, and how many would buy it etc.
You have to place an order that's quite large before proper printing becomes the cheapest option. In which case you're just left with colour photocopying or your PC printer, both of which are very expensive options.
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polson
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2006 17:47
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Well, I don't really want to do parodies, I like basing these comic strips on things that happen here at OTF, so I'm not really worried about the parody thing/copyright stuff.
My comics are handdrawn, then I scan them onto my computer and do the lettering with a computerized version of my own handwriting. I don't know much about self-publishing, so I'd have to have someone help me look into that, but really it entirely depends on whether or not Andrew is interested in that kind of an investment, or how many people would actually buy the comic books/how much they would spend. Maybe someone should do a poll?
P.S. If you don't know what "OTF Blues" is, check out the last two issues of the Blue Report which include the strip.
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stewie
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2006 18:23
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I think the comic may be mariginally more of a draw if its
"loosly" based on OTF, rather than characters directly..
do you really want to ask if you can chariture members of OTF for each joke?.
because you should really, for example if you were pushing the envelope slightly and someone took the strip out of context..
An example of such humour is http://www.elfonlyinn.net/
obviously the characters are based on real chatters, though the names have been changed to protect the writer.
Also if you create a stock "cast" of "fictional" OTF'ers you can pretty much parody people indirectly.
Seeing as you are trying to sell a comic to OTF membership, Its better you don't parody them directly
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polson
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2006 19:27
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Well, first off, I usually ask permission for anything I think may be taken the wrong way and I also show the comic strip to the people involved before submitting it for the Blue Report to get approval. I'm not dumb, I'm aware that things can very easily be misinterpretted. Second, I've had TONS of people ask me to star them in a strip. People like to see themselves the center of attention (exhibit's A-G: Iain).
I'm not trying to make fun of any specific individual in a manner that would require me to protect myself by changing people's names. The only thing I HAVE done, is briefly scan the personal list to ensure my "darth so-and-so" joke didn't cover any actual user names, though there was a lot of them to sort through so I may have used an actual chatter's name.
I will continue to draw the OTF Blues cartoon with real OTF people. If that's not something people would want to buy to support the site, it's not like we've already printed a thousand copies. I've drawn five strips with two more in the works, that's it. And if someone doesn't WANT to be in a comic strip, they can request that, or they can reject the completed strip when I send it past them for approval. I won't be hurt, and I won't feel persecuted.
It was just an idea. If I'm interested in making a serious strip for the entire world to enjoy, which I am and have already begun, OTF won't be the subject. It is within THAT strip that I parody Star Trek, Batman, or whatever sci-fi/fantasty shows I desire to parody.
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stewie
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2006 20:05
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so you gonna run every strip past someone you parodying, then waiting approval, fine, if it works for you..
I just had a suggestion for you to make life simple...
just seems a lot of running and unnessary extra work to me,
but, hey, knock yer self out.
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polson
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2006 19:28
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Seeing how at this point I only need ten comic strips a year and I'm nearly half done, it's not really a load of complicated work for me to run every strip past the people involved.
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lzrman
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2006 22:43
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->"virtual quarters" the webaccounts allow you "imaginary" quarters... go a step futher...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Stewie, I think you nailed that one on the head.
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