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lzrman
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# Posted: 11 May 2007 16:50
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Put your comments about the new Indev Chat Filter here.
Can we elaborate on this filter to ignore specific people?
Can we make it static so we don't have to keep selecting it?
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iain
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# Posted: 11 May 2007 18:36
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can we elaborate on this filter to ignore specific people?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>No; it is specifically designed so that it is not possible (or at least trivially-possible) to ignore people. That's against the spirit of OTF.<br><br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can we make it static so we don't have to keep selecting it?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Perhaps. However, it wouldn't remember prior selection, if so.<br><br><br>~Iain
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polson
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# Posted: 11 May 2007 20:23
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Sometimes, I think you indev guys invent stuff simply because you can. 
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lzrman
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# Posted: 11 May 2007 22:10
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Internal Development = Technological Genius, inside they are really a supercomputer .
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ohm
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 02:25
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sometimes, I think you indev guys invent stuff simply because you can.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>That's a motto just waiting to happen... <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/haw.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
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skevington
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 08:49
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I happen to agree with Polson =p
Dmitri
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osiris
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 10:57
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Actually the only change that i'd really like to see is being able to filter it down to just two or three people.
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skevington
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 15:45
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That would be nice... (from an ISA perspective) when taking chatsaves of stuff it would be nice to be able to cut it down to merely the dialogue between the ISA officer and the problematic individual,
Dmitri
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aeon
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 17:13
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<!--QuoteBegin--lzrman+May 11 2007,22:10--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (lzrman @ May 11 2007,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Internal Development = Technological Genius, inside they are really a supercomputer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>As a member of InDev I cannot disagree with that. Especially in my case. I <i>am</i> technology.<br><br>Thanks, and have a lovely day. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smi.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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aeon
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 17:14
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Oh, and Dmitri and Osiris... you actually can select two or three people. Just hold CTRL while selecting the names, and there you go... 
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iain
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 18:33
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<!--QuoteBegin--aeon+May 12 2007,17:14--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (aeon @ May 12 2007,17:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and Dmitri and Osiris... you actually can select two or three people. Just hold CTRL while selecting the names, and there you go... <!--emo&:?--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/srp.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':?'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Yes; Ohm and I carefully designed the javascript to work like this.<br><br>In response to the ISA request, can you drop a note on (say) the ISA Command list about what precisely would help?
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eagle
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 10:55
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<!--QuoteBegin--skevington+May 12 2007,15:45--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (skevington @ May 12 2007,15:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->That would be nice... (from an ISA perspective) when taking chatsaves of stuff it would be nice to be able to cut it down to merely the dialogue between the ISA officer and the problematic individual.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>This can be done after the chat save has been taken through the same creative scripting that makes it work in the chat rooms. In fact, depending on how you take the chat save, the functionality will already be there! <br><br>It should be enough to simply open your favourite simple text editor and add the following line under the <font color="gray" face="Courier new"><head></font> tag:<br><font color="gray" face="Courier new"><base href="http://www.outpost10f.com/" /></font><br>It's something I've always done anyway, since it cleans up the avatars in a hurry. =)<br><br>Cheers! <br>~Eagle~
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ice
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 11:05
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Basically i think what their referring to is the ability to "whisper" it would be just as easy to "mute" the trouble maker to the entire room, both features are comman in chats (i've built it like 20times myself in side-projects if u want a demo Iain just ask), as for the current feature, its a unique style with the little menu but the feature is nothing new tbh, glad to see its implemented though so now I can ignore i mean, filter out people.
Overall comments is that the feature is nice, will be interesting to see how its used by different people. Only comment would be to replace the image, definately looks out of place.
Also a idea, if you wanted to make it so u didnt need to re-select it, stick it in the top frame & make it pass it on as a variable with the main listen/speak buttons, that way you dont need to re-filter everytime you post or receive. And yes it works cos thats how i've done it.
As for making it perminant just create a small session file based on the users dossier number, everytime they filter they can select temperary or perminant, if they want perminant it drops their name into the created file and its brought up & stored in those variables everytime you login. It would be useful, especially if you made a control feature to block 1 person's posts globally, for example someone on BFL you'll just block everything (except their login so isa officers could remove them).
Very simple stuff once you get it functioning, kudos on getting it working in a chat that is wasnt originally planned for.
Just change that annoying image pls 
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ice
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 11:09
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I personnally am against the implementation of a whisper feature especially in OTF, people are banded into groups enough through Departments etc if it ended up that whispers were incorporated it would be what big conspiracy, after all a department is a conspiracy theory by definition.
Conspiracy, in common usage, is the act of working in secret to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations. Etymologically, the term comes from Latin con- "with, together", and spirare "to breathe".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy
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eagle
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 11:24
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<!--QuoteBegin--ice+May 13 2007,11:05--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ice @ May 13 2007,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically i think what their referring to is the ability to "whisper" it would be just as easy to "mute" the trouble maker to the entire room, both features are comman in chats<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Is it that times of year again? =( <br>This comes up in cycles, and gets quashed each and every time. <br><br>No, there will never be a <i>private message</i> function in the OTF chat rooms. Launch AIM, MSN, ICQ, Y!IM, Gtalk, Miranda, Trillian, or log into any of the countless web clients for the aforementioned.<br><br>No, there will never be a <i>block/ignore</i> feature in the OTF chatrooms. Don't worry, you'll get good at selectively reading. Sometimes too good.<br><br>So in short, unless just about everyone involved in command, scripting, and ownership here at OTF does a complete 180, these positions will pretty much stand.
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ice
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 14:44
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<!--QuoteBegin--ice+May 13 2007,11:09--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ice @ May 13 2007,11:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personnally am against the implementation of a whisper feature especially in OTF<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>See quote above lol <br><br>I agree completely, it was a phase <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--> My comments were merely expanding on possible methods <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo-->
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aeon
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 14:49
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I agree with Iain and Eagle. We are here to chat. And not to talk to other people privately, or to block people. This is against OTF principles. If you want to talk in private, use your IMs.
Though I do understand the desire for blocking people at times.  Damn cynism.
However, this is not how it works.
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ice
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 15:55
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I give up quoting myself, since it seems to go ignored.
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lzrman
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 22:06
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<!--QuoteBegin--eagle+May 13 2007,11:24--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (eagle @ May 13 2007,11:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--ice+May 13 2007,11:05--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ice @ May 13 2007,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically i think what their referring to is the ability to "whisper" it would be just as easy to "mute" the trouble maker to the entire room, both features are comman in chats<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Is it that times of year again? =( <br>This comes up in cycles, and gets quashed each and every time. <br><br>No, there will never be a <i>private message</i> function in the OTF chat rooms. Launch AIM, MSN, ICQ, Y!IM, Gtalk, Miranda, Trillian, or log into any of the countless web clients for the aforementioned.<br><br>No, there will never be a <i>block/ignore</i> feature in the OTF chatrooms. Don't worry, you'll get good at selectively reading. Sometimes too good.<br><br>So in short, unless just about everyone involved in command, scripting, and ownership here at OTF does a complete 180, these positions will pretty much stand.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I Agree with Eagle, no block or ignore feature because people would select out new people and thats not what this community is all about, that also follows with this wisper function because people would wisper about other people and abuse this feature.<br><br>Use a online messaging service!<br><br>*end rant*
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ohm
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# Posted: 14 May 2007 01:37
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Good golly...
I'll try to keep this to points that haven't been addressed so that I don't end up repeating a number of well crafted responses.
Iain initially wanted to have the filter "remember" the last option "filtered" between refreshes of the chat, and indeed it's a trivial enough change to make. I was however against it because in my view it encourages over use of the feature for an intension that we'd rather avoid in our chat rooms.
Subtly anyone?
If the demand becomes great enough, and the argument against it lessens then this could be easily enough done. However this feature was intended as a means for helping you track down a comment made, or indeed a responce made to a questions that's dissapeared into the depths of the chat due to vapid activity (anniversary time allready?). It's not intended to make it easier for you to exclude other comments made in chat.
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polson
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# Posted: 14 May 2007 08:24
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I like how he blames Iain. 
And I agree 100%. The filter is a tool, not a means to chat.
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bria
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# Posted: 15 May 2007 17:10
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Is there anything we can't argue about?
Well done InDev, nice bit of coding there, and I can see that it'd come in handy (I can't say that it does because I haven't logged in since it was implemented) when trying to keep track of things in a busy chatroom. And for ISA purposes too, obviously.
Nice work, congratulations, well done! 
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rpmobsession
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# Posted: 22 May 2007 16:24
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So, basically, this is for all those slow people who are getting old and can't keep up with lots of chatting going on in a room?
Good, then the next time there is like 15 people in chat, I'll be using it.
Note: The aforementioned comment in no way, shape, or form implies that -I- am old. Thanks.
RPMO
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