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kittykat
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 09:02
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Spoilers!  I warned you!
I have stolen these from the uk.media.tv.sf.startrek newsgroup/usenet group.
The last lines -
Picard: "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the
Starship Enterprise. It's continuing mission..."
Kirk: "...to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new
civilisations..."
Archer: "...to boldly go where no-one has gone before"
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anthony_zuk
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 10:00
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I love that! Brilliant idea! Kudos the Enterprise people for it!
Zuk, mighty impressed
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kittykat
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 11:10
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From what I understand its a previous recording of PS and WS rather than a new recording. I also believe we'll get to see flybys of the Enterprise ships.
In regards to Johnathan Frakes, and Marina Sitiris making an appearance - I know many have suggested that ENT was just a holodeck program but i think it's meant to be more a case of looking back on history.
Ive also heard that Brent Spiner has some off screen dialogue
Synopsis here Shran has a daughter?! 
Trailers (which I couldnt figure out how to play but maybe someone else can) for the last episode and also transcripts for the trailers
You might also want to check out the Notes on TV Tome which is full of spoilery type things 
It ends on Friday! Set your videos/dvd players to record, or get set to torrent on Saturday Morning *ahem* not that I'd do that of course!
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lzrman
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 11:12
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What! no Janeway *l* good for them =P
Set your tivo's! or replay tv's
Lzrman
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kittykat
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 11:30
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*Rabs@lzr* don't make me kick you
No Sisko either. Seems to be focusing on the "Enterprise"
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lzrman
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 20:54
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*l* you don't like Janeway do you  i wouldnt doubt it
Lzrman
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lzrman
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 21:19
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http://www.upn.com/shows/enterprise/video.shtml
Preview!!!!!
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kittykat
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# Posted: 12 May 2005 22:58
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<!--QuoteBegin--lzrman+May 12 2005,20:54--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (lzrman @ May 12 2005,20:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->*l* you don't like Janeway do you <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/haw.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> i wouldnt doubt it <!--emo&:P--><img src="http://www.outpost10f.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ton.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':P'><!--endemo--><br><br>Lzrman<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Um yes I like Janeway
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rednave
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# Posted: 13 May 2005 04:21
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Sounds good but 11/12 weeks till I can get to see it 
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shakeycat
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# Posted: 14 May 2005 01:04
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I'm so glad Tucker and T'Pol can reproduce. The end.
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kittykat
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# Posted: 14 May 2005 01:39
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I'm getting it now, however more people are taking than giving so it might take a while
Tanya: we're happy you're happy.
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kali
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# Posted: 14 May 2005 07:49
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1st half of the 2 parter was worth the wait - well done and a nice finish for a troubles series.
The 2nd part was a bit over the top. They did not need Troi and Riker at all and IMHO, took away from the last voyage of Archer and the crew. The story could have very well stood on its own and didn't need the interference from the future. If they thought they could increase the ratings for this final episode by bringing in Frakes and Sirtis, maybe they did increase viewership, but it did not help the plot at all. All in all, was rather disappointed.
Might as well have left the the 1st hour as the final and canned the 2nd completely.
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kittykat
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# Posted: 14 May 2005 13:11
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Wow that was unbelievably messy and Im not talking about the time jumping.
It probably looked great on paper but it just didn't work (for me anyways), Certainly not as a one part episode.
I think this is always a problem when you've got to rush your finale, plus...the writers. One of the reasons that season 4 has been so good is because of Manny Coto. He didn't write the final episode. Nuff said.
KK
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gabbo
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# Posted: 14 May 2005 14:53
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I have to agree that this was an awful episode, especially for a final episode. I never watched Ent that much but was a big fan of TNG. That was a classic final episode. The plot was so week in Ent's finale. The 'climax' was so ham handed, I wanted to call up the writers and ask for their pens so they could never write anything again. I felt like this was just Berman's way of saying "I'm ending this show whether you want me to or not, so there." I don't know if anyone else felt this way, but I was legitimately angry at the poor quality of this ending.
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anth
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# Posted: 14 May 2005 15:22
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Well, i thought it was a good episode. I have no idea why they had to kill Tucker off though?
I don't think it was a strong plot. But it was never going to be while they were trying to weave in the Riker stuff.
I really enjoyed revisiting the Enterprise D. It was great to hear Data again! And great to see the Enterprise D in state of the art 3D CG.
And the reason no Janeway, was it was Trek Enterprise Captains! It was no reflection on other characters. Janeway is a great captain and a great character.
I'm sad Enterprise has ended. I won't go over old ground, i'm on record several times over stating that this show, just like all other Treks was finaly finding its feet and turning out its best eps after a few seasons of settling in.
I won't forgive UPN ever for what they've done. Not only have they stopped our Trek. They blackmailed the makers into not moving it elsewhere by dangling the prospect of millions per episode if an eventual new series emerges.
UPN Suck, they're on my list to be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes.... Right after the MPAA and the Sirius Cybernetics Corps.
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gabbo
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# Posted: 15 May 2005 11:21
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You hit on my point exactly. Why kill Trip? The whole seen was a little farfetched, and we're talking about a scifi show here. Intruders board a ship they weren't supposed to catch up to in the first place...and the first and only crew members to respond are Archer and Tucker? Even if there was only a skeleton crew aboard, the Captain and Chief engineer are the only one's to respond...unarmed? And for the entire scene? Sorry, that's stretching it a bit too much. Hence my original assessment of the writing as ham handed.
Revisiting TNG was nice, as I enjoyed the series even more than the feature films (a testament to the writing of that series). However, I felt the connection between Riker's situation and that of Archer/Trip was poorly done. Riker is wrestling with his obligation to his word and to that of his morality. In his case, the choice was difficult. The moral integrity of far more than himself was at stake. Yet to confront the situation meant he would have to break his oath and admit to his captain and friend that he had been maintaining a lie concerning the moral fiber of the federation itself for years. Good internal conflict.
Archer's dilemma however was a no brainer. Someone you owe a debt to asks for a favor regarding his family's safety. I doubt there are many people out there that wouldn't help. No real conflict. Plus, they have time to spare. No real sacrifice. The only real parallel I can see is Trip disobeying Archer so he can sacrifice himself. If that's the case, why would Riker watch the whole series of events over multiple days looking for insperation. Just watch the event. Having Troi mention Tucker's death early on even removed the shock. The shock was there wasn't a plot twist and Trip actually does survive. Adding the close call in the fire fight was a cheap attempt at emotional wrenching too. Summary of conflict, risk being late to repay a debt and help someone's family or sacrifice yourself for your captain and best friend. Neither of these situations mirror Riker's, or are difficult decisions to make regarding the people the Trek universe is supposed to be about. They could have done a much better job, the way TNG finished, contemplating a very abstract yet interesting idea, having the characters evolve and discover more about themselves, and going off into the "sunset" to continue what it is they do best and what the trek series were always about-"to explore strange new worlds..."
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kittykat
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# Posted: 15 May 2005 23:13
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I made a longer post on usenet which basically listed my main issues with the episode, I'll post them here.
Nothing seemed to have changed in the (6?) years from Terra Prime to TATV in
regards to how the personal appearance of the crew and their uniforms (T'Pol
was still wearing that purple jump suit! , Well Hoshi and T'Pol had slighty
different hair styles...there was no feeling that is them 6 years later.
This is a holodeck recreation right? So how do they know who said what to
whom? They can't know, which made it all a bit fake.
The episode didn't slot in nicely as an adendum to the Pegasus episode. Both
Sitiris and Frakes have changed too much and frankly it was a bizarre
choice.
The whole story involving Shraan seemed to have the sole purpose of killing
Trip and that's it.
The whole Trip sacrificing himself for Archer thing seemed a bit off and why
on earth did they kill him off anyways, what purpose did it serve? They've
been in far worse situations, there were possibly many better options and
the best Trip can come up with is is to immediately kill himself? WTF?
Which T'Pol and Archer seem to of gotten over by the time they get back to
earth.
It was all far to rushed, there was too much crammed into too short a space
of time. I think B & B possibly had this idea for an episode, thought it
was wonderful, patted themselves on the back and decided to use it for the
finale instead of coming up with something better, or letting Manny Coto
take a stab - could it of been any worse if he had?
The concept itself was actually quite good but it would of worked far better
as a cross over novel than an episode.
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anth
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# Posted: 16 May 2005 08:46
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KK, you make some very good points.
To say it was rushed is of course entrirely accurate. There can't have been more than a couple of weeks available to write this before the final episode went into production, after they heard the show was cancelled.
It did scream "crossover novel", and i remember back in the good old days when us fans were encouraged to send in plot ideas for TNG, we were told to steer well clear of this kind of episode plotline.
It was a great idea, and the notion of word for word holodeck recreations has come up several times in Trek, so you can't blame them for thinking they were on safe ground with the concept.
I feel the pegasus story did not suite the situation to well though, and wonder if they could not have dug deeper to find a better match up.
The uniforms changed a little, TNG's changed once big time, and then they wore them for 5 years though, basically the same uniform anyway. So i didnt think that was too bad.
The Shran storyline was a way to bring back a favourite character one last time. And it appears it was needed for the unexplainable Trip death scene. Don't ask me why!?
And what about Archers speech!? Cut off! Almost as bad as Voyager reaching the Alpha Quadrant at the series finale. ( not quite as bad i know *L* )
As last eps go, it was way better than that pathetic DS9 finale, but nowhere near as good as Voyager and nowhere near the superb "All good things" from TNG.
I suppose we should count ourselves lucky we had a last ep proper, and the production team had just enough notice to attempt to round things off in a half decent manner. Alot of series have not had that luxury, including TOS.
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crazytexan
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# Posted: 16 May 2005 09:35
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As far as a series finale go that was pretty weak, rushed, and left me feeling relieved that this show is finally over. Now I can focus on Sci-Fi Fridays on the Sci-Fi Channel with Stargate: SG1, Atlantis, and Battlestar Galactica.
It was a shame that 'Enterprise' was canceled, but it was only a matter of time, now that season 4 was starting to get some decent stories, character development, and made the attempt to get back on the Trek timeline track, but after an entire season of the Xindi story arc, it pretty much did the show in, along with the Berman and Braga influences on the show. We've all discussed that Trek needed to take a break and that going back into the past isn't the way to breathe new life into a fading franchise.
I thought this final episode wasn't nearly as watchable as Voyager's, which wasn't that great either, and was far-fetched since the Borg were just an annoyance and not a major threat to the galaxy by the time Voyager made it back to Earth. It also didn't come close to DS9 which had a very bittersweet ending, and left us with several loose that needed to be tied up..."All Good Things" for TNG is still the superior series ending episode for Trek.
It is also a shame that several chacaters faded into the background like Phlox, Travis, Hoshi, and Reed. Sure let's focus more on Archer's old dog then one of his senior staff...That was another issue with Enterprise, so-so connection with the characters for maybe a few of them.
I could nit-pick it the end of time, but I'm glad it's over, and hopefully the actors and crew on 'Enterprise' can find steady work again...except for Berman and Braga though.
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ayanna
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# Posted: 16 May 2005 17:59
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My Opinon on this final was that it was awful. The first part of it was okay and was doing well i was very interested in it. Then i was confused when the showed the second part and will riker and deanna troi was in it and it was shown on a holodeck on the The NExt Generation ship. I mean what was the whole purpose in that? did the really need to make it as looking back on history? they could of just played it off as the ending. I understand that it was suppose to be before kirk's time or something. but why when riker was talking about taking his command or something or another? and what was the point in including the part about Riker's old ship the Peagus. What so important about that bit of information?
anyone got any answers? cause i'm completely puzzled on it.
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kittykat
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# Posted: 16 May 2005 23:11
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Who knows what the point was actually...Riker had to make a big decision? What a First Officer should do for his Captain? I don't think they put a lot of consideration into making it make any sense.
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janeway_riker
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# Posted: 17 May 2005 05:26
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I loved the finale, except for a few things. I thought the finale did not make sense. I especially thought when they brought back Troy and Riker, it felt more like a Next Generation episode. This was a big slap in the face to the cast of Enterprise. We didn't even get to hear Archer do his speech...a last farewell to Bakula and company. I felt it was insulting to the actors and to those of us fans who stuck with the show through the years. For a season that had redeemed itself with character development surpassing the past 3 seasons and with plots and storylines that were amazing, they came up with this story to end the series? It had no story...it meandered around like a bad Next Gen holodeck episode...oh wait...THAT'S what it WAS.
They should have just ended the series with the 21st episode. It would have been better.
It was really unfair to the cast on Enterprise, to have to play second fiddle to Riker and Troi on Enterprise's final show.
I understand why Jolene Blalock was quoted as being upset by it.
I'm still kind of sorry that this is the end of an 18 year run of new Trek. But lots of great memories. Each show had their highlights and dim moments, but it's time to go outside and play for a while...
At the end of "Terra Prime" we see T'Pol and Trip tenderly mourning the loss of their daughter. T'Pol named her after Trip's deceased sister. They were BONDED to each other. That's a lifelong thing for Vulcans at least. In this episode, set 6 years later, we find that their relationship ended sometime after that! And they never talked about it? What the hell? Not ever? T'Pol never thought about it? Hellooooo! This would never have happened that way.
Trip dies! What the hell? That was the most worst death in Trek since Tasha Yar's death! At least Dax's death made sense because there was a war going on and she was killed by the enemy. That tends to happen in war. But this? The Rigellan dudes show up out of nowhere? They have Warp 7 capabilities? And Trip does some weird kind of monkey dance after Archer is knocked out? I thhink Connor was pissed at the episode so he definitely did a Jar Jar Binks impression at that point. I guess he figured if he had to be in something that sucked this bad, he might as well add greater suckage to it.
Then they put Trip in the magical donut! Next scene, he's dead! Next major scene, just a couple hours later, Malcolm, Hoshi and Travis are at the big event complaining about their seats and what commission Archer will get and clapping and smiling. WHAT THE HELL!
And Archer's wearing a dress flightsuit? It looked like he had a napkin around his neck. Again, after all the buildup to the speech, we don't even get one? Not even a little bit?
The most terrible thing of this episode is the framing of the episode with Riker and Troi. It didn't allow the Enterprise cast to stand on its own. It made them go back under the shadow of Next Gen. I liked the end with the three ships and Bakula finally being allowed to say at least part of the mantra but that doesn't erase all of the bad from this episode. The concept was just bad.
This episode took place 10 years after Enterprise's launch - can somebody explain to me why the hell everyone still holds the same rank? With such a distinguished career, I figure at least the ensigns would have been promoted to second lieutenants!
And what a scene with Tucker! In all the other episodes has he ever acted remotely like that? NO!!! Talk about "out of character". And absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER for killing him off.
While I can understand that he's protective of Archer (and always has been), this bowing and scraping toward the Rigellians was ridiculously out of character. The Trip we all know and love would never have suddenly pretended to be a wuss and a traitor and blown himself up - there are dozens, if not hundreds of ways to accomplish the rescue without being an ass about it. (Didn't they have any technological advances over the past six years they could have used? Force fields to contain the invaders?)
Except transparent emotional manipulation of the audience.
And, naturally, ten minutes later Riker has rewound the simulation and is talking to Trip again - while it didn't throw me off, and it gave us a chance to see Trip again, it bothered me.
Kathryn Janeway-Riker
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kittykat
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# Posted: 17 May 2005 09:32
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as I said earlier it was a very messy episode
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rock
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# Posted: 18 May 2005 01:07
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It was wretched...I was so very disappointed, though not suprised from what I heard the cast say about it.
Congrats Berman, you killed the franchise and a series with tons of potential.
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richard
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# Posted: 18 May 2005 08:41
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Woohoo!
And chances are I'm only gonna have to wait another 5 years before I get to see it on dutch TV.
I so rely on BBC one and two for some quality.
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kittykat
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# Posted: 18 May 2005 09:37
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It'll not be on bbc1 or 2 though
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